Ed Joyce seeks early return to Ireland

[GIMH]

You got a case?

Pakistan is a direct competitor for India in cricket, Ireland is NOT. It is acting now as a ICC sponsored player pool for Eng.

Could have sworn we played them in the T20 WC, seems strange to do that to a non-competitor

 

[Jarquis]

lolSirAlex

 

[Sir Alex]

Talking about test matches mate, not some mickey mouse cricket.

I've explained above and in other threads my disdain for this "free-movement" of players between associate and full member and I don't want to go again down the route.

 

[GIMH]

Okay, well given that Ireland don't play Test cricket why on earth would you forbid people from playing for England from there, if they satisfy all criteria?

 

[four_or_six]

Talking about test matches mate, not some mickey mouse cricket.

I've explained above and in other threads my disdain for this "free-movement" of players between associate and full member and I don't want to go again down the route.

If you're only worried about tests, I'm not sure why you're commenting on this issue, it's a limited-overs issue only.

 

[GIMH]

Because he's Sir Alex and doesn't like that the England team isn't purely full of white men that speak like Hugh Grant

 

[Sir Alex]

Okay, well given that Ireland don't play Test cricket why on earth would you forbid people from playing for England from there, if they satisfy all criteria?

If you're only worried about tests, I'm not sure why you're commenting on this issue, it's a limited-overs issue only.

This has nothing to do with Ed Joyce the player but the practice of England using and discarding Irish players at will and then they going back to represent their teams without the restrictions applying. My reference to test cricket was completely out of context and need not be considered here.

Why should ICC go on funding Ireland if England is going to treat them as their personal county to select and discard players?

 

[Athlai]

I hear Joyce and Morgan's families were held at gun point until they put on the English jersey.

 

[four_or_six]

This has nothing to do with Ed Joyce the player but the practice of England using and discarding Irish players at will and then they going back to represent their teams without the restrictions applying. My reference to test cricket was completely out of context and need not be considered here.

Why should ICC go on funding Ireland if England is going to treat them as their personal county to select and discard players?

I'm not sure we have "used and discarded players at will". That seems a highly dramatic interpretation of the situation with Joyce and Morgan.

 

[four_or_six]

Because he's Sir Alex and doesn't like that the England team isn't purely full of white men that speak like Hugh Grant

Or Strauss... oh no, Strauss is a Saffa, isn't he?

 

[sledger]

Find the whole thing a bit daft tbh, not a fan of England stealing Ireland's players in the first place, but surely once you declare yourself for one country you should see out your choice. This hole pick and choose thing which seems to be going on here doesn't really sit right. Best wishes to Joyce all the same though, have always quite liked him.

 

[gvenkat]

Talking about test matches mate, not some mickey mouse cricket.

I've explained above and in other threads my disdain for this "free-movement" of players between associate and full member and I don't want to go again down the route.

This "free-movement" is counter-productive for the associate nations. Take the case of Dirk Nannes, Ed Joyce and Eoin Morgan.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Nannes not quite the same, tbf. Born and raised Aussie of Dutch parentage.

Best of luck to Joyce tho. Wouldn't quite write off his test career yet if I were him tho. Can't be all that many ahead of him in the pecking order, surely?

 

[Prince EWS]

Just jog on hey

Best. Member. Ever.

 

[Prince EWS]

Nannes not quite the same, tbf. Born and raised Aussie of Dutch parentage.

Best of luck to Joyce tho. Wouldn't quite write off his test career yet if I were him tho. Can't be all that many ahead of him in the pecking order, surely?

Haha yeah I always laugh when people bring up Nannes in the same breath as Morgan and Joyce. Nannes is not a Dutch cricketer who was poached by Australia; he's an Australian cricketer with Dutch parents. Born in Melbourne and lived there his entire life. Don't reckon he would've even considered playing for Holland in the first place had it meant he couldn't play for Australia.

 

[Cruxdude]

Any player who wants to play for another team should wait for 5 years IMO. It would be double standards if he is allowed to play for England after just playing for Ireland a year back and not the other way. Very poor to see a player like Nannes play for Holland in one T20 tournament and then 6 months later here he is with Australia.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Any player who wants to play for another team should wait for 5 years IMO. It would be double standards if he is allowed to play for England after just playing for Ireland a year back and not the other way. Very poor to see a player like Nannes play for Holland in one T20 tournament and then 6 months later here he is with Australia.

Trouble with that is that it'll weaken the associates. Any associate nation-born or qualified player with any test ambitions would have to make themselves unavailable for the duration of their qualification period.

It's not ideal, but cricket only having ten nations with "test" status makes it a unique case.

 

[Cruxdude]

Trouble with that is that it'll weaken the associates. Any associate nation-born or qualified player with any test ambitions would have to make themselves unavailable for the duration of their qualification period.

It's not ideal, but cricket only having ten nations with "test" status makes it a unique case.

Then they should rather decrease the whole qualification period uniformly. No need for any difference between associate->test and test->associate.

Also a really stupid doubt. So what kind of citizenship exists in UK? Is it like citizen of UK or the individual nations? If the question is stupid please clear it up for me.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Then they should rather decrease the whole qualification period uniformly. No need for any difference between associate->test and test->associate.

Also a really stupid doubt. So what kind of citizenship exists in UK? Is it like citizen of UK or the individual nations? If the question is stupid please clear it up for me.

The former. We're all citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 

[pskov]

Just as an aside, because it is tangentially related to the Ed Joyce/Morgan situation, people born in Northern Ireland do have certain special exemptions where they are able to apply for citizenship of the Republic of Ireland even if they have no relatives from the south. There isn't however any special status for people born in the Republic of Ireland when applying for British citizenship.