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    Test Cricket Rankings

    I was playing around with the rankings calculator on the ICC website and it throws up a strange result

    International Cricket Council - Match Zone - Test Predictor

    If Eng beat Bangladesh 2-0 in Eng in their upcoming 2 test series, it does nothing for their rating - no real surprise there as it's no great achievement

    However, if SA beats WI 2-0 away, then the same result occurs

    In fact, if SA "only" wins 1-0, they go backwards

    Surely SA should get some credit for what would be a reasonable result especially if the WI serves up the batting paradises they did for the last Eng series?

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    Would it be the fact that those results are what occurred last time, so as such they move backwards in comparison to where they were?

    Not sure if those results were what happened last time that they played each other, for the record.

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    What is the point in brininging in qualitiative aspects into a purely quantitative thing that is the rankings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Would it be the fact that those results are what occurred last time, so as such they move backwards in comparison to where they were?

    Not sure if those results were what happened last time that they played each other, for the record.
    Yeah, indeed. After South Africa play West Indies away, for example, the result from the last South Africa in West Indies series stops counting.. so to improve their ranking they have to improve on their previous result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    What is the point in brininging in qualitiative aspects into a purely quantitative thing that is the rankings?
    Because obviously the rationale behind the quantitative analysis is incorrect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Yeah, indeed. After South Africa play West Indies away, for example, the result from the last South Africa in West Indies series stops counting.. so to improve their ranking they have to improve on their previous result.
    And that makes no sense whatsoever

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    So does that mean that if Australia beat England 5-0 in these upcoming Ashes, it won't improve their ranking? And if they win 3-0 they'll go back?
    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Only a bunch of convicts having been beaten 3-0 and gone 9 tests without a win and won just 1 in 11 against England could go into the home series saying they will win. England will win in Australia again this winter as they are a better side which they have shown this summer. 3-0 doesn't lie girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Because obviously the rationale behind the quantitative analysis is incorrect
    In case West Indies manage a 1-0 win, SA would plummet to World No.4 and WI rise to No.6 in rankings
    Yeah if Prince said is true, it makes no sense.
    Last edited by Sir Alex; 16-05-2010 at 01:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    So does that mean that if Australia beat England 5-0 in these upcoming Ashes, it won't improve their ranking? And if they win 3-0 they'll go back?
    I think the recency of each series has a part to play as well, but I'm not too sure. I think beating a team 5-0 last month has more weight than beating a team 5-0 four years ago, so Australia would go up if that happened I assume.

    Could be wrong though; I've never really studied it properly.

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    Looks like I was totally wrong - they used to use a system similar to what I was thinking but they don't anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICC, 2003
    The new ICC Test Championship takes into account the result of every individual Test Match with a bonus awarded for winning a series. It also recognises the strength of the opposition in calculating the points awarded.

    The system means that there are no longer any `dead rubber' Test Matches and that in any series both teams have the opportunity to improve or worsen their rating.

    The ICC Test Championship reflects performances in all Tests completed since a given date (currently 1st August 1999), in contrast to the previous system which included some series played in 1996/97 yet excluded some more recent series. More recent matches have a stronger weighting and the rankings are refreshed every August.

    A rating of 100 reflects average performance, so a team winning and losing a similar number of matches and playing a broad mix of opponents will have a rating close to 100.

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    There's a fix in the rankings which means beating WI and beating Bangladesh is roughly worth the same. If the fix wasn't there you'd lose points for beating Bangladesh, which would not be ideal.
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