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*Official* Bangladesh in England

flibbertyjibber

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Because it generally doesnt happen that often. Occasionally it does but if you want to be disappointed in cricket then the best best is to hope guys in their early 20s add a chunk of pace. Everyone wants it for all bowlers but it isnt easy or probable.
To be honest too many people are obsessed with pace,with his height and the bounce he gets he should look to cause problems in other ways.Being accurate never did McGrath any harm.Not that i am comparing him to the great man but he could do worse than try to emulate him rather than searching and straining for non existant extra speed at the cost of your line and length.
 

Goughy

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To be honest too many people are obsessed with pace,with his height and the bounce he gets he should look to cause problems in other ways.Being accurate never did McGrath any harm.Not that i am comparing him to the great man but he could do worse than try to emulate him rather than searching and straining for non existant extra speed at the cost of your line and length.
You are right. Fast is great but it is just one weapon and the danger is that if it isnt natural then you can lose some effectiveness in other areas.

If someone isnt an out-and-out quick the aim is to be 'fast enough'. Finn hitting mid-80s with bounce and movement, giving little away is enough. Finn is spot on that he just needs to tighten up.

The difference between someone like Finn and, for example, Harmison is that Harmison needed that extra yard to be dangerous and be spiteful and didnt need the accuracy when on form. Finn is a very different type of bowler despite both being tall.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Agree with the comments regarding Steve Finn, he's never going to be electric pace, but that is not going to be his main weapon, in good rhythm he bowls at a lively enough pace, just above 85mph, but it is his bounce and accuracy that will determine how far he can go.

Liked his interview after receiving the man of the series award, he's aware he needs to work on various areas of his game and was not entirely happy with his economy rate and number of 4 balls he has bowled. If he can emulate Glenn McGrath, the man he idlolises, in terms of his pressure bowling and hitting the areas consistently, he can go a long way.
 

Prince EWS

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No,leave Siddique at 3 but have them at 4,5 and 6 and take the gloves off Rahim to give him more responsibility with the bat.Also there has to be a better gloveman in the country than him.

Also pick Naeem Islam at 7 as he can bat has a good temperament and can also bowl a bit of spin if they need it.
Don't get your Naeem love at all tbh. Bowls absolute pies and is a genuine block-or-slog merchant with the bat.

Mahmudullah seriously needs to bat a lot higher though. He's comfortably the second best batsman in the team IMO and with a bit more experience and opportunity he could rival Tamim. Genuine allrounder in the right conditions as well; really gives it a rip sometimes.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Agree with the comments regarding Steve Finn, he's never going to be electric pace, but that is not going to be his main weapon, in good rhythm he bowls at a lively enough pace, just above 85mph, but it is his bounce and accuracy that will determine how far he can go.

Liked his interview after receiving the man of the series award, he's aware he needs to work on various areas of his game and was not entirely happy with his economy rate and number of 4 balls he has bowled. If he can emulate Glenn McGrath, the man he idlolises, in terms of his pressure bowling and hitting the areas consistently, he can go a long way.
All true. I just feel that this year's Ashes may have arrived 12 months too soon for him. I'm not saying that he shouldn't go - simply that I think it will be a step up to far at this stage for him to pose a real threat.
 

Woodster

International Captain
All true. I just feel that this year's Ashes may have arrived 12 months too soon for him. I'm not saying that he shouldn't go - simply that I think it will be a step up to far at this stage for him to pose a real threat.
Yes I think it could be too soon for him to make a real impact, and will be a real test for such an inexperienced cricketer. You do hope that these young players can come into the side and make an immediate difference, which he's done to a degree, but a trip to Australia for the Ashes series is a serious examination.
 

superkingdave

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Listened to TMS on the way home today, Michael Vaughan was talking rubbish again, about how he was disappointed with Eoin Morgan because he was playing like a normal test batsmen and hadn't played enough trick shots. There was some rubbish about Trott in there as well.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Listened to TMS on the way home today, Michael Vaughan was talking rubbish again, about how he was disappointed with Eoin Morgan because he was playing like a normal test batsmen and hadn't played enough trick shots. There was some rubbish about Trott in there as well.
I tuned into the Channel 5 highlights tonight, as I'd seen the full session on Sky, and heard the voice of Michael Vaughan, and I then thought that I'd not heard much of him in his new role, as I generally watch Sky and don't listen too frequently to TMS. I like Vaughan and always thought he comes across well in interviews and press conferences, do I understand you don't agree with a number of comments he's made ?
 

JBH001

International Regular
Hoped to see highlights of Tamim's day 2 100 on Sky today, but instead they showed day 3 with Tamim out for 2.

:(
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
I tuned into the Channel 5 highlights tonight, as I'd seen the full session on Sky, and heard the voice of Michael Vaughan, and I then thought that I'd not heard much of him in his new role, as I generally watch Sky and don't listen too frequently to TMS. I like Vaughan and always thought he comes across well in interviews and press conferences, do I understand you don't agree with a number of comments he's made ?
Yeah he talks a big old load of crap imho. The example given by superkingdave being pretty typical. I heard MV going on about this too and couldn't really believe it.
 

flibbertyjibber

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Don't get your Naeem love at all tbh. Bowls absolute pies and is a genuine block-or-slog merchant with the bat.

Mahmudullah seriously needs to bat a lot higher though. He's comfortably the second best batsman in the team IMO and with a bit more experience and opportunity he could rival Tamim. Genuine allrounder in the right conditions as well; really gives it a rip sometimes.
Just think Naeem is better than Jahural and Ashrafail who were picked ahead of him in England.He at least showed he had bottle when batting in Bangladesh which is more than some of the others have shown over here.He is no world beater but better than some in the side and is probably a better spinner than Razzak who gets picked as a specialist despite being useless.
 

pskov

International 12th Man
Agree with the comments regarding Steve Finn, he's never going to be electric pace, but that is not going to be his main weapon, in good rhythm he bowls at a lively enough pace, just above 85mph, but it is his bounce and accuracy that will determine how far he can go.

Liked his interview after receiving the man of the series award, he's aware he needs to work on various areas of his game and was not entirely happy with his economy rate and number of 4 balls he has bowled. If he can emulate Glenn McGrath, the man he idlolises, in terms of his pressure bowling and hitting the areas consistently, he can go a long way.
The three attributes of a seam bowler - pace, movement, accuracy. Pace is sometimes fetishised a bit too much at the expense of the others, but you only need two of three in any combination to be a top quality test performer.
 

Prince EWS

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Just think Naeem is better than Jahural and Ashrafail who were picked ahead of him in England.He at least showed he had bottle when batting in Bangladesh which is more than some of the others have shown over here.He is no world beater but better than some in the side and is probably a better spinner than Razzak who gets picked as a specialist despite being useless.
Nah Naeem nowhere near as good as Razzak with the ball. Surprised he gets a bowl at all to be honest with you. Jaharul and Ashraful were good in the tour games.. reckon Jaharul deserves a run in the team TBH but obvioulsy the less said about Ashraful the better.
 

Prince EWS

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The three attributes of a seam bowler - pace, movement, accuracy. Pace is sometimes fetishised a bit too much at the expense of the others, but you only need two of three in any combination to be a top quality test performer.
Hmm, depends. Your weakest point can't be completely awful. For example, Saj Mahmood has pace and movement but can't land it on the cut surface. Rasel has movement and accuracy but literally bowls at 115km/hr. You have to be "accurate/quick enough" even if it's not your strong suit, otherwise you become a liability.
 
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Burgey

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Averaging close to 54 since his recall Bell. Granted that includes four Tests against Bangladesh but he's doing everything right.

Getting it in early, he's gonna destroy that bunch of jokers that Australians like to call bowlers this winter.
:laugh:

Yep, and Finn > McGrath.
 
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Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
1) Tamim should be dropped down the order. He is a bit too attacking to be an opener and more importantly he is the best bat and should be protected from the new ball. Number 3 would be a better spot. The ball that got him out did quite a bit and would not have moved that much if the ball had've been a bit older even 5 or 6 overs older. I feel he is 50% to blame for his dismissal as he kind of hung his bat out there - but it was still a difficult delivery to face second ball.
2) Anderson must be one of the top bowlers in the world when the ball is actually moving for him. He bowled some very good deliveries - the pitch in general was offering quite a bit of assistance and if NZ had've been facing that attack we would have been all out for 200 with Taylor and Vettori scoring a few and everyone else failing.
3) Bangladesh did get themselves out on some occassions. The awful hook shot when there were two men back on the fence waiting for it. The clip to midwicket to a half volley on middle stump. Something that looked like an attempted cut shot to a ball close to the stumps. And so on.
But they were also undone by some good bowling in helpful conditions. This may have been a step backward for BD cricket. But at least they have been improving and it is has been a case of two steps forward and one step back.
 
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Hurricane

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@ Athlai

I am sure Don Bradman could have been a good opener if he had tried. But he was more effective from number 3. Also Sehwag is a great opener but he says he would be #4 if he was given a choice. IMHO your best bat should be at number 3 or 4 - unless he is not a stroke maker and is the type of player who likes to occupy the crease -

Ross Taylor is another one. I would back him to outperform Tim Mcintosh as an opening batsman if he tried. But due to his attacking nature he is better off at number 4.

If Tamim is on record as saying he very much prefers opening then sure leave him there. But if I were the coach I would have a discussion with him about number 3.
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
Good discussion point, innit?

You have to consider also whether Tamin is good starting off against spin, which is what he would be doing sometimes if he bats at no.4.

What a minute, its the Bangladesh top order we're talking about here.

I'd keep him at opener for now because he always starts off with a clean slate and isn't coming in at 20/2 all the ****ing time.

What Bangladesh really needs is a middle-order player worth a ****.
 

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