Would a batsmen be considered greater then Bradman if?

SaeedAnwar · 07-05-2010, 06:46 PM

Would a batsmen be considered greater then Bradman if he plays only 20 tests then retires averaging more then him?. lets say this were his scores in the 20 Tests he plays

157, 93
22, 89
6,17
102,56
76,32
274*, 80
188, 14
287*, 4
12, 194*
0, 88
177, 33
9, 20
304*, 7
22, 52
176, 17
62, 34
10, 48
199, 104*
226, 82*
39, 0

Career:
Matches: 20
Runs : 3412
Average : 100.35
HS : 304*
100's : 12
50's : 9
not outs : 6

GotSpin · 07-05-2010, 06:48 PM

Why would he retire?

SaeedAnwar · 07-05-2010, 06:51 PM

^ because he lost one of his balls during batting

Somerset · 07-05-2010, 07:30 PM

0.39 of an average is hardly the final determinant in saying that the hypothetical player is better than Bradman IMO - theres so many other factors to consider before making that call.

TumTum · 07-05-2010, 08:06 PM

Not even close, he needs to average at least 120.

GotSpin · 07-05-2010, 08:08 PM

Indeed. I'm no great shakes at stats guru but this is Bradman after 19 matches

filtered 1928-1932 19 2695 334 112.29 12 1 1/8 18.00 0 10 0

_Ed_ · 08-05-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SaeedAnwar

^ because he lost one of his balls during batting

age_master · 08-05-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Somerset

0.39 of an average is hardly the final determinant in saying that the hypothetical player is better than Bradman IMO - theres so many other factors to consider before making that call.

Agreed. Quality of the opposition would certainly come into it, standards of pitches etc etc etc

Migara · 08-05-2010, 01:24 AM

Average 75 with a SR of 80 against non - minnows over 100 tests. Would be best batsman in my book over Bradman, because at that SR batting would be a killler blow. Sehwag with 50 @ 80 showing the impact. Imagine some one doing it averaging 75

GotSpin · 08-05-2010, 01:28 AM

Bradman scored at a pretty good clip himself

Migara · 08-05-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Got_Spin

Bradman scored at a pretty good clip himself

Yeah, SR of 55 - 60 may be. But I am sure it was no where close to 80.

Ikki · 08-05-2010, 01:38 AM

I'd take 100 @ 60 over 75 @ 80 TBF. I'm not sure the SR is going to benefit the team as much as 25 more runs per inning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Spin

Bradman scored at a pretty good clip himself

Cricinfo estimates at about 58.61.

GotSpin · 08-05-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ikki

I'd take 100 @ 60 over 75 @ 80 TBF. I'm not sure the SR is going to benefit the team as much as 25 more runs per inning.

Cricinfo estimates at about 58.61.

Agreed. In a test match 25 more runs per innings at a rate faster than most batsmen is more valuable IMO. Furthermore, I'd warrant that Bradman's SR is far far greater in comparison to his contemporaries and would tend to suggest he'd be just as destructive as modern day batsmen

Migara · 08-05-2010, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Got_Spin

Agreed. In a test match 25 more runs per innings at a rate faster than most batsmen is more valuable IMO. Furthermore, I'd warrant that Bradman's SR is far far greater in comparison to his contemporaries and would tend to suggest he'd be just as destructive as modern day batsmen

You can look it in an alternative way. Most bowlers Bradman faced were not the same quality of today.

We'll agree for disagreement. I would take a faster scorer because it gives extra time for other batters to cash in or saves time for bowlers. But I could not say 100 @ 60 is worse than that.

Migara · 08-05-2010, 01:52 AM

Or put it easily like this. Viv Richards esque player averaging 75. That will give a better idea.

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SaeedAnwar U19 Debutant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In Saeed Anwars bed Posts: 347	^ because he lost one of his balls during batting

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Somerset Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 9,863	0.39 of an average is hardly the final determinant in saying that the hypothetical player is better than Bradman IMO - theres so many other factors to consider before making that call.

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TumTum International Regular Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,342	Not even close, he needs to average at least 120.

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GotSpin International Coach Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Stranger leering through a pair of binoculars Posts: 12,435	Bradman scored at a pretty good clip himself

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Migara International Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colombo, SL Posts: 5,175	Or put it easily like this. Viv Richards esque player averaging 75. That will give a better idea.

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