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    Selectors

    has anyone else found that selectorsw for some countries are a bunch of strange tits?

    i mean, i dont umnderstand on what basis the english ones choose their players, itd be easy to assume that they pick the best people from the county cricket but ius that really so, after years of consistent great performances by wagh and knight [warwicks openers] they have barely got a look in the test side and on the other side people like trescothick, hussain never broillainat but went on to the english side[albeit were succeses]

    and the case of bicknell is just downright stupid, i mean when gough and caddick were at their prime some years ago they never gave anyone else a chance i.e. saggers and bicknell and recently out of nowhere pacemen i.e jones, anderson have been picked just after a few solid games and results.


    and how the hell do india adn pakistan choose theirs, i mean the ranji trophy has no meaning to thge indian selectors, so how did they fingd kaif and sehwag and yuvraj etc...and on what basis did they select tendulkar when he was 16, the same goes with pakistan for raza and afridi...

    i mean they were taking some big chances on unleashing afridi and tendu;lkar on the world at sucha young age..

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    I agree that the selectors are wierd, but some selections gave come off. The England selectors are just below the Pakistani ones in terms of totally confusing selections.
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    I'd have to say that the Pakistan selectors take the cake..they are brutal if you don't perform after 2 matches.
    At the moment I recall some opening batsmen called Athar playing in the Sri Lanka tri-series and the Vodafone Challenge in England, but now he's nowhere to be seen.
    They never seem to pick the same squad consistently.

    The England & NZ Selectors are probably the next who seem to make strange decisions at times.

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    Faisal Athar is, I think, injured - so that's a defence of the selectors there.

    I think the West Indies are right up there as well. Dave Bernard, Jerome Taylor, Fidel Edwards..
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    Re: Selectors

    Originally posted by gibbsnsmith
    after years of consistent great performances by wagh and knight [warwicks openers] they have barely got a look in the test side and on the other side people like trescothick, hussain never broillainat but went on to the english side[albeit were succeses]
    Right so for not giving Knight countless goes and picking Trescothick who proceeds to average over 40, they've gone wrong have they?

    As for mentioning Hussain at the same time, he isn't even an opener!

    FWIW, I'm a big Warwickshire fan, but I wouldn't ever expect to see Knight in there again since he's been tried and failed at the longer form of the game.

    Oh, and by the way Wagh isn't an opener, has been in the Academy once, but is never likely to be anything more than a good county player.



    Originally posted by gibbsnsmith
    and the case of bicknell is just downright stupid, i mean when gough and caddick were at their prime some years ago they never gave anyone else a chance
    Gough and Caddick were in their prime and an awesome pairing, so that's why they weren't broken up.

    Why fix something that clearly wasn't broken?



    Originally posted by gibbsnsmith
    recently out of nowhere pacemen i.e jones, anderson have been picked just after a few solid games and results.
    Presumably they didn't see the point in selecting a 34 year old when they were trying to build a side for the future?
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    Re: Re: Selectors

    Originally posted by marc71178
    Presumably they didn't see the point in selecting a 34 year old when they were trying to build a side for the future?
    He wasn't 34 then, he was 30-31...

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    Sehwag was averaging 45-ish in domestic cricket with the bat when he was selected in 1998.

    He was dropped and selected in 2001 when he was averaging 58 with the bat, and 35-ish with the ball for Delhi, and was continously winning games for Delhi.

    As for Yuvraj and Kaif, they had extraoridinary U-19 World Cups. Kaif was the winning captain of the U-19 team, while Yuvraj was India's MVP.

    Kaif and Yuvraj too had great records in the domestic game, and averaged about 45 with the bat in domestic cricket at the time.

    Indian selectors are more traditional, in the sense that they look for youth, and people who are "statistically" better than the rest.

    Batsman who have been tried out in recent years:

    V Kambli - FC Average: 68 --> Little Success More Failure in Internationals

    VVS Laxman - FC Average: 60 --> Semi-Success

    S Sriram - FC Average: 60 odd --> Failure

    H Badani - FC Average: 45 --> Semi-Success

    S Ramesh - FC Average: 45-ish --> Semi-Success

    Yuvraj Singh - FC Average: 43-45 --> Success

    Mohammad Kaif - FC Average: 43-45 --> Success

    Reetinder Sodhi - FC Average: 45-46 --> Failure

    Hrishikesh Kanitkar - FC Average: 58 --> Failure

    Vijay Bharadwaj - FC Average: 45 --> Failure

    Gautam Gambhir - FC Average: 58-60 --> Semi-Sucess

    Virender Sehwag - FC Average: 56-58 --> Sucess

    Wasim Jaffer - FC Average: 55-56 --> Failure

    Comparing to england, where batsman like Vaughan and Trescothick are selected on the basis that Duncan Fletcher has seen them and the fact that they are more 'natural talent' rather than averages.

    And to be honest, they've had more succes then some of the Indian batsman tried out in recent years
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    Re: Re: Re: Selectors

    Originally posted by Rik
    He wasn't 34 then, he was 30-31...
    Not when they started picking Jones and Anderson, he wasn't.

    3 or 4 years ago, the England seam attack tended to be Gough, Caddick, Chalky, Corky (perm 3 from 4, throw in anyone else)
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Selectors

    Originally posted by luckyeddie
    Not when they started picking Jones and Anderson, he wasn't.

    3 or 4 years ago, the England seam attack tended to be Gough, Caddick, Chalky, Corky (perm 3 from 4, throw in anyone else)
    I was talking about when Gough and Caddick were in their prime, ie 1999-2001

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    He would have been a fine addition then, true (as replacement for White. )

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    Re: Re: Re: Selectors

    Originally posted by Rik
    He wasn't 34 then, he was 30-31...
    What, when Jones and Anderson were called up?

    In that case he's aged 3-4 years in the past 6-12 months - at that rate he'll be 37 in the winter! :P

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    Originally posted by luckyeddie
    He would have been a fine addition then, true (as replacement for White. )
    What is wrong with White? He can reverse swing, get conventional swing etc.
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    I very much doubt he'll ever play for England again.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Selectors

    Originally posted by marc71178
    What, when Jones and Anderson were called up?

    In that case he's aged 3-4 years in the past 6-12 months - at that rate he'll be 37 in the winter! :P
    Marc, I already explained what I ment to Eddie, in the posts above, and he understood. I ment when Gough and Caddick were in their prime but for some reason the quote came out wrong. Surely when it's been discussed in the posts just above, even you can get the drift?

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    Originally posted by Craig
    What is wrong with White? He can reverse swing, get conventional swing etc.
    He's still not bowling very often.

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