Go Back   Cricket Web > Cricket Discussion > Cricket Chat



Finding Seams on Apples - Order Your Copy!


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-05-2010, 03:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
School Boy/Girl Captain
 
GraemeSmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 196
Off-spin and Leg-spin are named wrong

It really annoys me what the different kind of spin bowling are called. It does not make any sense that offspin is called offspin and leg spin is called legspin. From a logical point of view what we call offspin should be called legspin since the ball is moving from off to leg and legspin should be called offspin since the ball is moving from leg to off. The current nomenclature of spin bowling is completely upside down and does not make any sense. It would be like if we started calling inswing as outswing and outswing as inswing, the ball comes into the the batsman hence it's called inswing that's logical, therefore incase of spin bowling if the ball move towards the legside it should be called legspin not offspin (and vice-verse)
GraemeSmith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 03:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
International Vice-Captain
 
Noble One's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,112
So you want the name changed?

Never bugged me, always made sense to me that the off-spinner spun the ball from off to leg and the leg-spinner from leg to off.
Noble One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 03:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
International Regular
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Afghanistan
Posts: 3,533
I see where the OP is coming from, I've thought it myself.

It hardly matters though.
Jakester1288 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 03:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
 
Top_Cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posts: 21,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakester1288 View Post
It hardly matters though.
That's just what they want you to think.
__________________
Check out my bands!

The Colourphonics

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheColourphonics
http://twitter.com/colourphonics

Candice and The Arcade Villains

http://triplejunearthed.com.au/Candi...ArcadeVillains
Top_Cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 03:55 AM   #5 (permalink)
Englishman
 
BoyBrumby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Doing the stance
Posts: 42,646
Never given it a thought myself, just what I've grown up with. After all off-cutters and leg-cutters are similarly dubbed.

Although, I suppose things could've gone down the "swing" route (i.e. in-swing and away-swing) too. In-spin and away-spin just sound weird tho.
__________________
- As featured in The Independent.

"This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers."
- Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads
BoyBrumby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 05:40 AM   #6 (permalink)
International Captain
 
Himannv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SL
Posts: 6,168
Agree with the OP. The logic of it was always a bit strange to me but I just got used to the way it was called and stick to it.
Himannv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 06:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
Hall of Fame Member
 
Son Of Coco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 16,060
It spins from the leg and from the off, hence the names. Have never really thought it's an issue. I can see the point re: the direction the ball moves in comparison to swing bowling though.
__________________
"What is this what is this who is this guy shouting what is this going on in here?" - CP. (re: psxpro)

R.I.P Craigos, you were a champion bloke. One of the best

R.I.P Fardin 'Bob' Qayyumi

Member of the Church of the Holy Glenn McGrath
Son Of Coco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 06:18 AM   #8 (permalink)
International Captain
 
Migara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Colombo, SL
Posts: 5,175
Right arm / Left arm - finger / wrist spin would be better descriptive
__________________
Diuretics are used to look good at TV shows

I played for 20 years in the Lankan team, I did not have any problems as a Tamil - Muralidaran
Migara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 06:22 AM   #9 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 4,793
Just rename the sticks. Off stump becomes leg stump, and leg stump becomes off. Problem solved.
Sir Alex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 07:28 AM   #10 (permalink)
International Captain
 
Himannv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SL
Posts: 6,168
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
Just rename the sticks. Off stump becomes leg stump, and leg stump becomes off. Problem solved.
How can the leg stump be on the side away from the leg?
Himannv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 08:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
Request Your Custom Title Now!
 
Jono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Virat Kohli
Posts: 47,545
Interesting opening post.

I actually get more annoyed with how we label left-arm spin bowlers.

What the hell is "slow left arm" for left arm off spinners? Why aren't they just off spin? And why call left arm leg spin "chinaman" or "wrist spin" (as channel 9 used to label Michael Bevan's bowling).
Jono is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 08:05 AM   #12 (permalink)
Request Your Custom Title Now!
 
Jono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Virat Kohli
Posts: 47,545
Quote:
Originally Posted by Migara View Post
Right arm / Left arm - finger / wrist spin would be better descriptive
Yeah, either call it all off spin or leg spin, or call it finger spin or wrist spin. Anything else just makes an already complicated game more complicated to new viewers.
Jono is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 08:09 AM   #13 (permalink)
Englishman
 
BoyBrumby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Doing the stance
Posts: 42,646
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jono View Post
Yeah, either call it all off spin or leg spin, or call it finger spin or wrist spin. Anything else just makes an already complicated game more complicated to new viewers.
Nah, part of the sport's charm, IMHO. See also googlies/Bosies/wrong 'uns.
BoyBrumby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 08:24 AM   #14 (permalink)
Request Your Custom Title Now!
 
Jono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Virat Kohli
Posts: 47,545
What the hell is "slow left arm" when Jayasuriya bowls faster than Ramesh Powar's "off spin".
Jono is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 08:47 AM   #15 (permalink)
Cricketer Of The Year
 
zaremba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: chez les Ashes
Posts: 8,730
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jono View Post
What the hell is "slow left arm" for left arm off spinners? Why aren't they just off spin? And why call left arm leg spin "chinaman" or "wrist spin" (as channel 9 used to label Michael Bevan's bowling).
Because, by the logic of the description of right arm spinners, the SLA doesn't spin the ball from the off so isn't an off-spinner, and the chinaman bowler doesn't spin it from the leg so isn't a leg-spinner. So there is a certain logic to it.

Anyhow, it's all part of the game's rich tapestry. All sports have weird and wonderful terminology. Think about rugby positions. Blind side flanker? Tight head prop? Number 6? Wing three quarters? Fly half? Number 10? These things may seem impenetrable to a newcomer to the game, but you get the hang of it eventually.
zaremba is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:42 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright ©2001 - 2011, Cricket Web