How do you rate Chanderpaul as a batsman?

[harsh.ag]

He is all the way up to 11648 runs at 53.10 with 30 hundreds. Dude has done immensely. Hardly talked about in the world outside CW. Such a long and painful career.

After he had that surgery which removed the floating bone from his foot (late in 2000; responsible for his early physical frailty, thus not being able to convert fifties into hundreds), he has scored 9000 runs at an average of 58.

Respect. One of the most unique greats of the game

 

[grecian]

I rate him slightly higher than those, in the Pietersen/Smith category. Of course, those guys are younger and might surpass him yet.

Interesting post in it's wrongness this. Not having a pop as we'd all have agreed at the time, yet just shows how hard it is to judge players when they're still playing. The imponderables. As for the poll, it's still somewhere between ATG and very good really, but hey he's still going.

 

[OverratedSanity]

His longevity is pretty astonishing. Still churning out hundreds at 40+.

 

[Coronis]

Love him. Chanders4lyf

 

[Jono]

Interesting post in it's wrongness this. Not having a pop as we'd all have agreed at the time, yet just shows how hard it is to judge players when they're still playing. The imponderables. As for the poll, it's still somewhere between ATG and very good really, but hey he's still going.

Quite incredible that he outlasted KP and Smith.

 

[Allaudin]

Think he is the only player who played in 1996 World Cup who is still playing now.

 

[cnerd123]

Sachin/Lara
Ponting
Kallis/Dravid/Sanga
Chanders
Mahela

From the 10K+ group.

 

[YorksLanka]

Very good but bloomin annoying!!

 

[Howsie]

Would've rated him much higher had he moved up the order five or six years ago. Have no idea why he's camped himself down at number five when the Windies haven't had much else ahead of him.

 

[Spikey]

Would've rated him much higher had he moved up the order five or six years ago. Have no idea why he's camped himself down at number five when the Windies haven't had much else ahead of him.

allowed him to take his son to school in the morning

 

[ankitj]

He has been playing since I first started following Cricket closely. Just incredible he keeps going on.

Afridi must be the second player in terms of longevity among the active lot.

 

[Furball]

Would've rated him much higher had he moved up the order five or six years ago. Have no idea why he's camped himself down at number five when the Windies haven't had much else ahead of him.

Because if he's more productive at 5 then that's better for the West Indies.

It's not Chanderpaul's fault if numbers 1 through 4 are hopeless.

 

[Furball]

He has been playing since I first started following Cricket closely. Just incredible he keeps going on.

Afridi must be the second player in terms of longevity among the active lot.

If we take a player's "date of birth" as the date he first played any form of international cricket, who's the next "oldest" after Chanderpaul?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Because if he's more productive at 5 then that's better for the West Indies.

It's not Chanderpaul's fault if numbers 1 through 4 are hopeless.

But maybe if he moved to 4, someone less experienced and less adept technically can move to 5 and flourish, thereby improving the team's output. Not slagging Chanders, just thinking here.

 

[ankitj]

If we take a player's "date of birth" as the date he first played any form of international cricket, who's the next "oldest" after Chanderpaul?

Must be Afridi. Debuted in 1996.

 

[vic_orthdox]

But maybe if he moved to 4, someone less experienced and less adept technically can move to 5 and flourish, thereby improving the team's output. Not slagging Chanders, just thinking here.

We're talking about the guy with the most idiosyncratic set up of all time. I'm happy to assume that he's got a pretty set idea of where he'd like to bat, and that if he wasn't there it would shake him.

 

[OverratedSanity]

We're talking about the guy with the most idiosyncratic set up of all time. I'm happy to assume that he's got a pretty set idea of where he'd like to bat, and that if he wasn't there it would shake him.

Maybe his own performance might drop a bit if he moved up. The argument against Chanders is that if he moved up it'll help others play better and overall, the team could benefit.

Here's what happens typically: When Chanders comes in, WI have already lost 3 wickets for not too many. If he comes one or two spots higher, maybe his solidity could help stop collapses midway and lend some calmness to proceedings before the situation gets out of hand. It helps the guy at the other end too. Basically what happens right now is Chanderpaul plays amidst the collapse. If he came in sooner, West Indies could avoid the collapse altogether. Wickets in bunches are what hurt batting sides.

This is all just hypothetical of course, but it does have some merit.

 

[grecian]

Maybe his own performance might drop a bit if he moved up. The argument against Chanders is that if he moved up it'll help others play better and overall, the team could benefit.

Here's what happens typically: When Chanders comes in, WI have already lost 3 wickets for not too many. If he comes one or two spots higher, maybe his solidity could help stop collapses midway and lend some calmness to proceedings before the situation gets out of hand. It helps the guy at the other end too. Basically what happens right now is Chanderpaul plays amidst the collapse. If he came in sooner, West Indies could avoid the collapse altogether. Wickets in bunches are what hurt batting sides.

This is all just hypothetical of course, but it does have some merit.

Nah it doesn't at all. He scores runs, other batsmen need to do what they're paid for and do the same, presumably in the positions they play for their island.

We've had this England and Bell in the past. It's twaddle, it's like when people wanted dravid to open. Stupid, don't mess with one of the few things that is actually working.

 

[Maximas]

The other thing with Chanders batting at 5 is that he's never really gotten to grips with how to get the best out of the tail, seems like a no 3/4 batsman batting too low, but I have to agree you can't be changing these things when the guy is as experienced and entrenched as he was when the change could have happened and a difference might have been made, particularly if we are correct in thinking he mightn't be comfortable with it

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah it doesn't at all. He scores runs, other batsmen need to do what they're paid for and do the same, presumably in the positions they play for their island.

We've had this England and Bell in the past. It's twaddle, it's like when people wanted dravid to open. Stupid, don't mess with one of the few things that is actually working.

Nah, it's definitely different. West Indies' batting lineup is terrible (maybe it isn't now if Brathwaite and blackwood kick on). It has not been a batting lineup that is "working".Comparing that with India and England is just not right. Different scenarios entirely.

Ftr, I'm pretty much on the fence on whether Shiv should move up the order. But I believe that the argument that him moving up would help the team does have some merit.