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    Batsmens with the best average against Australia and West Indies?

    West Indies had the best bowling attack in the 70's, 80's and Australia has had one of the best bowling attack in 1990's and 2000's

    which batsmen had the highest average against these two attacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaeedAnwar View Post
    West Indies had the best bowling attack in the 70's, 80's and Australia has had one of the best bowling attack in 1990's and 2000's

    which batsmen had the highest average against these two attacks?
    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...nmax1=31+dec+1

    Gavaskar(65), Amiss(74), Chappel(56) & Vishwanath(53) were the ones who averaged over 50 and scored more than 1000 runs against the west Indies. in that period

    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...=span;template

    SRT(56), Laxman(55), Sehwag(51) and Lara(51) were the ones who averaged over 50 and scored more than 1000 runs against the Australians in that period

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    ^ this means Amiss and SRT(whoever that is) are the best batsmen of the last 40 years


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    Quote Originally Posted by SaeedAnwar View Post
    ^ this means Amiss and SRT(whoever that is) are the best batsmen of the last 40 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaeedAnwar View Post
    ^ this means Amiss and SRT(whoever that is) are the best batsmen of the last 40 years
    Glad that's sorted then.

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    Amarnath has a brilliant record against WI too
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaeedAnwar View Post
    ^ this means Amiss and SRT(whoever that is) are the best batsmen of the last 40 years
    Warnesque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ret View Post
    Amarnath has a brilliant record against WI too
    Semi-myth tbh, He played them in 5 series, 3 at home, 2 away.

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    He had two good series, one of which(home) he played only 2 games and scored 142 runs with two not-outs resulting in his average being 142.00 in that series. The other good series, he averaged 66 away, which saw some of the best knocks against fast-bowling ever.

    He also had one decent series away where he averaged 40.

    Based on his previous performances, the Indian team depended and counted on him performing well in the future, In the last 2 series he played against them(Home) he scored 44 runs in 6 games averaging under 5.

    Overall, he averaged 38 against them, which I think is a fair gauge of his performances.

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    Pietersen averaged 57 against Warne and McGrath.

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    Laxman and all the Indians to an extent have had a relatively easy run against Australia over the last fifteen or so years. McGrath played against them very little, and nearly every time Warne came up against them he was out of form, injured or too green.

    That is not to say that they batted poorly, only that you have to take statistics with a grain of salt. I hardly think that Laxman has been anywhere near the top ten batsmen of his era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Laxman and all the Indians to an extent have had a relatively easy run against Australia over the last fifteen or so years. McGrath played against them very little, and nearly every time Warne came up against them he was out of form, injured or too green.

    That is not to say that they batted poorly, only that you have to take statistics with a grain of salt. I hardly think that Laxman has been anywhere near the top ten batsmen of his era.
    Laxman has batted excellently against Australia, McGrath or no McGrath, in all conditions. Hell, even his best ODI performances are against Australia. He just loves playing against Australia, full stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Laxman and all the Indians to an extent have had a relatively easy run against Australia over the last fifteen or so years. McGrath played against them very little, and nearly every time Warne came up against them he was out of form, injured or too green.

    That is not to say that they batted poorly, only that you have to take statistics with a grain of salt. I hardly think that Laxman has been anywhere near the top ten batsmen of his era.
    I would put him in the top 10 talent-wise and talent tends to come through when playing the really good sides. Injuries and application were his downfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaeedAnwar View Post
    ^ this means Amiss and SRT(whoever that is) are the best batsmen of the last 40 years
    There's something amiss about your logic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Laxman has batted excellently against Australia, McGrath or no McGrath, in all conditions. Hell, even his best ODI performances are against Australia. He just loves playing against Australia, full stop.
    Yeah he does, but I think the point he's making is you cannot just say X player batted well vs Australia in this era, therefore they're the greatest player of all time, or of their era. And if X player scored the bulk of his runs against the attack India faced here their tour before last, you'd be right to bear that in mind to, because half way decent, let alone very good test players could play that attack with a stick of celery on flat wickets.

    Laxman's record vs Australia is awesome, and he's rated incredibly highly here - but we tend to rate players highly who do well here, it's a fault of ours, even if their records aren't so great against other teams. I do it too - I rate Laxman enormously highly - imo he's a much,much better player than Ganguly who, one Brisbane ton aside (and it was a good one mind) I thought wasn't very good here at all. And I admit that clouds my judgment of him (Ganguly) a fair bit.

    It's why a lot of Aussie cricket fans frankly think Gavaskar wasn't that good - he did well here only against depleted attacks. That's not right of course, he was a superb player, but it's the way many here think of him, especially those of my generation or older who grew up without blanket coverage of international cricket from overseas. They fail to see what the fuss is about. Fortunately with a wider coverage of things now, we can see players against all opposition and better gauge their levels.

    Contrast that with the view a lot of people here have of Vaughan, who had a golden series here in 02-03. Many here* rate him very highly, when of course his record overall is, while not poor, hardly outstanding.

    I guess it comes down to this - it would be no good scoring a **** load of runs vs Aus in their era of dominance if you failed vs every other test country. Same for the Windies in the 80s. Not saying that's what the fellas being considered here did mind you, but it must be too narrow a criteria I'd say.

    *Edit - by "here" I mean this country, rather than CWland .
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