Avada Kedavra
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Someone mentioned that Murali failed in Australia - that is as irrelevant as Warne failing in India because the OP asks says that the test is to be played in England - only records in England should be considered.
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All-time Northern vs. Southern Hemisphere
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Avada Kedavra
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He was yet to hit his peak...maybe..but yet to hit the inevitable troughs as well....please do not impose your views on me.Your opinion is reasonable and I have no problems with it.
Zinzan
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I didn't actually mean to imply that only records against England should be considered, just wanted to see the balance of 3 front-line pacers & 1 spinner in each side.
Avada Kedavra
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I would have Smith and Steve Waugh over Ponting and Chappell in England
Steve Waugh 1633 runs @ 74 Ponting 1323 runs @ 44 Smith 1083 runs @ 73
Chappell scored 1020 runs @ 40.80
Steve Waugh 1633 runs @ 74 Ponting 1323 runs @ 44 Smith 1083 runs @ 73
Chappell scored 1020 runs @ 40.80
Ikki
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Kinda, but also irrelevant in a way. The records in England are against England.
Avada Kedavra
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So? It is still better than using overall records.
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^ that
Avada Kedavra
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Sure but how a player performed in England would be the tie-breaker if the overall records are reasonably good - Steve Waugh over Ponting for example.
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Athlai
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Steve Waugh is a number 5.
Sir Alex
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Conditions remain same. Bowlers are getting only tougher.
Zinzan
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Yup, that's pretty much what I was meaning, maybe if there's a tie-break, you'd look at the records in England
Avada Kedavra
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Meh that is just making life even more complicated.A lot of the players aren't in their normal positions - Lara is at number 5 for instance.If you move him up to his regular number 4 then Tendulkar will have to bat somewhere he has very rarely batted at.Let us keep it simple I say.
Ikki
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Really? Like how Ponting plays spin in India and in Sri Lanka?
Anyway, Zinzan is the authority for his reasoning, not me.
Athlai
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But Ponting is a top order player while Waugh isn't? Huge difference.
Avada Kedavra
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Bradman being at 3 basically means Ponting cannot bat at his customary position at 3 which means he will have to bat at 4 or lower.If you are going to argue that a change from number 5 to number 4 is too hard for someone like Waugh...then cool...
Avada Kedavra
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India and SL are one country? If the match was to be played in India you would not consider Ponting's record in India?It is the conditions more than the bowlers as you have always argued because the same Ponting has murdered the same Indian attack in Australia.
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Ikki
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That's not the point at all. They're the only two places in the world where spin outdoes pace. Ponting did worse against inferior spinners than he did against one of the best of all time. I am just showing the fallacy in taking things in such simplistic terms as Sir Alex was. Things don't necessarily happen in a linear fashion.
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Athlai
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In an alltime side, Waugh who batted almost entirely at 5 should stay there. Sure he could do it but would he deserve to in an all-time side?
Avada Kedavra
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So Ponting should not be considered for SH because his spot is taken by Bradman?If we are going to make a eleven based on playing position then lets do it for everyone not just pick and choose which players to do it for.
Athlai
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A top order player dropping to the middle isn't that big an issue as opposed to a lower order bat moving up. Though I did misunderstand you thinking you wanted Waugh to bat at 3 instead of Ponting.