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    Quote Originally Posted by Avada Kedavra View Post
    Man for man

    1. Hobbs > Barry
    2. Gavaskar > Trumper
    3. Bradman >>> Viv
    4. Tendulkar > Ponting - do not want to start a debate-just my opnion
    5. Lara > Pollock
    6. Sobers better batsman than Miller but Miller is a better bowler.How do you compare ?
    7. Gilchrist > Knott
    8. Imran > Hadlee
    9. Marshall > Lillee
    10.Murali> Warne
    11.Ambrose > Mcgrath
    So many of those are contentious that it's not worth the debate. Most of those have very little in them and in fact can be put the other way. The two glaring differences are Bradman and Gilchrist.

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    ... in England.
    Forgot about that. Forget Hayden I guess
    Last edited by Ikki; 10-04-2010 at 02:24 AM.
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    Voted for Southern. Bradman the massive difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avada Kedavra View Post
    Man for man

    1. Hobbs > Barry
    2. Gavaskar > Trumper
    3. Bradman >>> Viv
    4. Tendulkar > Ponting - do not want to start a debate-just my opnion
    5. Lara > Pollock
    6. Sobers better batsman than Miller but Miller is a better bowler.How do you compare ?
    7. Gilchrist > Knott
    8. Imran > Hadlee
    9. Marshall > Lillee
    10.Murali> Warne
    11.Ambrose > Mcgrath
    You obviously didn't see what I saw then. I mean Lara being better than G. Pollock??? Lara was brillaint but doesn't touch Pollock. All I say is watch clips of G. Pollock. Rad articles on G.Pollock and in particular his Trent Bridge innings in England in 1965.

    Oh and what happened to Kallis at 6. Kallis eats Miller up. Comparin Kallis to Sobers is also diffcult because statistically they are the best all-rounders of all-time but their styles are completely different.

    Murali is not better than Warne and it is proved when he went to play in Aus.

    McGrath was better than Ambrose.

    I'm not so sure Jack Hobbs was better than Barry either.

    I agree with the rest probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    Or the another way to look at it is ranking them all which for me would be;

    1) Marshall
    2) Hadlee
    3) Ambrose/McGrath
    4) Lillee
    5) Imran
    6) Miller (sorry I've stolen Miller off Ikki & dropped Kallis )
    7) Sobers

    Can't separate Warne & Murali, both have good records in England.
    Thats a bit harsh on Kallis tbh....the guy has been one of the most consistently great players of all time. I find it hard to believe how he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

    He had the best test average of all test batsman from 2000-2010 and still bowled as well on top of all the other great batsman of the era.

    Miller was a folk hero due to dynamic nature but surely when you have Ponting, G. Pollock and Gilchrist in your side thats covered.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    Grrr, can't believe I forgot about Miller , totally agree with that amendment. Would still have Trumper or even Morris > Hayden though.
    Morris averaged under 40 with the blade once Bradman retired. No way is he better then Hayden. Hayden's stats blow Trumper's out of the water.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp
    Lara was brillaint but doesn't touch Pollock.
    No need to make barbarick statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post

    Miller was a folk hero due to dynamic nature but surely when you have Ponting, G. Pollock and Gilchrist in your side thats covered.
    Isn't that a bit of a contradiction...Because of Ponting etc already there, Miller's bowling abilities are far more important

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdu_ben91 View Post
    Morris averaged under 40 with the blade once Bradman retired. No way is he better then Hayden. Hayden's stats blow Trumper's out of the water.
    Different eras. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Got_Spin View Post
    Isn't that a bit of a contradiction...Because of Ponting etc already there, Miller's bowling abilities are far more important
    Lets be honest...if Hadlee, Lillee, McGrath and Warne don't take the majority of wickets then they shouldn't be in the side (I'm sure they would take the wickets as well). I think Kalllis as the 5th bowler with 250 test wickets covers the 5th bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Different eras. etc.
    Yeah, doesn't get any better then being a batsman and playing in the same team as Bradman. I wonder why Clem Hill doesn't get as much credit as Trumper, considering he averaged more. Also wonder why no other cricketer in the history of the game, has the last name Bradman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Lets be honest...if Hadlee, Lillee, McGrath and Warne don't take the majority of wickets then they shouldn't be in the side. I think Kalllis as the 5th bowler with 250 test wickets covers the 5th bowler.
    Why need Kallis for batting when you have bradman. would rather take millers lower bowling average
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Thats a bit harsh on Kallis tbh....the guy has been one of the most consistently great players of all time. I find it hard to believe how he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

    He had the best test average of all test batsman from 2000-2010 and still bowled as well on top of all the other great batsman of the era.
    Dude, selecting him as 12th-man in the all-time greatest SH team is pretty decent recognition isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdu_ben91 View Post
    Yeah, doesn't get any better then being a batsman and playing in the same team as Bradman. I wonder why Clem Hill doesn't get as much credit as Trumper, considering he averaged more. Also wonder why no other cricketer in the history of the game, has the last name Bradman?
    Well Jayawardene averages more than Lara and Waugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    Dude, selecting him as 12th-man in the all-time greatest SH team is pretty decent recognition isn't it?
    No, I respect your opinion mate and I'm not saying that you are incorrect because you can't be when its your opinion.

    I'm just trying to make a case for Kallis who always seems to be not given the full credit he deserves.

    I just feel with his standing in the game he deserves to make that side.

    Kallis and Sobers are untouchable as all-rounders in the history o the game. They're on a pedastal.

    Then as I say from 2000-2010 Kallis out performed Ponting and Tendulkar with the bat and even had to still bowl which they didn't.

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    Hobbs => B. Richards
    Gavaskar => Trumper IMO
    Richards << Bradman
    Tendulkar => G. Chappell
    Lara <= G. Pollock
    Sobers => K. Miller
    Knott (wk) <= Gilchrist (with the bat, Knott with the gloves)
    Imran (c) => Hadlee (Hadlee better bowler, Imran the far superior bat)
    Marshall => Lillee (very little in it)
    Murali = Warne (consistency vs. occasional magic)
    Trueman = McGrath (nothing in it)

    Bradman is the difference, Northern are probably the ever so slightly better side if we excluded him though.
    Last edited by Athlai; 10-04-2010 at 02:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Lets be honest...if Hadlee, Lillee, McGrath and Warne don't take the majority of wickets then they shouldn't be in the side (I'm sure they would take the wickets as well). I think Kalllis as the 5th bowler with 250 test wickets covers the 5th bowler.
    Kallis' batting is overkill when you have Bradman and Gilchrist, really. The bowling is more important to improve. 4 prong attack plus Warne, it just doesn't get better than that; 5 genuine match winners with the ball. Also, Miller was no mug and is the best of the bowling all-rounders with the bat.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Kallis and Sobers are untouchable as all-rounders in the history o the game. They're on a pedastal.
    TBF, Miller, Imran and Botham are on that same pedestal.
    Last edited by Ikki; 10-04-2010 at 02:55 AM.

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