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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    I can see Sehwag completkey destroying Asif on a flat track and Asif to return the favour on a semiing one.

    Sehwag-Asif 5-5

    Steyn Sehwag 6-4(Steyn)

    I agree with your Asif-Sehwag comment but Steyn-Sehwag should be 6-4 in Sehwag's favour.Sehwag has totally murdered him so far with one triple and 2 100s -one of them when Steyn demolished the others. Sehwag is more vulnerable to the medium pacers like Asif than an a pure fast bowler like Steyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Steyn averages around 20 in the subcontinent which has thrown up quite few flatbeds in the recent past.

    Both are first rate bowlers, a rarity in today's cricket. Even though history says Asif has had the upperhand over Sehwag, I don't think they've played a fair sample to arrive at a definitive conclusion.

    In present form, sehwag is likely to come on top against both these bowlers. But each possess different weapons to get him out. Steyn can take him out with searing yorkers or pitched up deliveries swinging into his pads, Asif is much slower through the air and can get banana swing should conditions suit and get him to miscue or nick one, as sehwag usually prefers to have some pace on the ball to work with.
    Hence my Sehwag > flat track
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    Actually quite a tough question because at their best, they tend to beat anyone. A couple of years ago, I'd back Asif to castle Sehwag more than Steyn would draw nicks but, well, Sehwag has taken his game to a new and, for the time being, impregnable level.

    That said, if the deck had some juice, I'd back Asif in a touch more than Steyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Actually quite a tough question because at their best, they tend to beat anyone. A couple of years ago, I'd back Asif to castle Sehwag more than Steyn would draw nicks but, well, Sehwag has taken his game to a new and, for the time being, impregnable level.

    That said, if the deck had some juice, I'd back Asif in a touch more than Steyn.
    I think the question raises some problems. Asif would bowl the right channels to Sehwag but those same channels will almost certainly see a whole heap of boundaries. Sure this could result in a cheap wicket, but it may not get him out at all, almost completely depends on Sehwag on the day. I'd expect Steyn to be able to catch him unawares slightly more often. On a juicy track Asif's good channels become far more unplayable though so everything I said falls apart.


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    If you consider the very precise weapons/techniques, who has more lethal wicket taking delivery against a batsman like Sehwag. I mean it goes without saying that on an average day, Sehwag will rape fasties on a flat deck...however, there is always a deceptive slower one, or the one that moves in that may get him while he is eyeing the cover boundary....in that sense even on a flat deck, i personally think Asif's bowl that comes back in is probably the best one. Sehwag does not move his feet much when he thrashes the outswingers or off stump line deliveries to the boundary...this almost always leaves a bit of a gap between his bat and pad, Asif is a specialist in nipping the ball back in and this is why i think that on any track Asif will always have a greater chance to get Sehwag then Steyn.....you can very well substitute Shaun Pollock for Asif here...Pollock was the same master class in nipping the ball back in with his wrist..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    If you consider the very precise weapons/techniques, who has more lethal wicket taking delivery against a batsman like Sehwag. I mean it goes without saying that on an average day, Sehwag will rape fasties on a flat deck...however, there is always a deceptive slower one, or the one that moves in that may get him while he is eyeing the cover boundary....in that sense even on a flat deck, i personally think Asif's bowl that comes back in is probably the best one. Sehwag does not move his feet much when he thrashes the outswingers or off stump line deliveries to the boundary...this almost always leaves a bit of a gap between his bat and pad, Asif is a specialist in nipping the ball back in and this is why i think that on any track Asif will always have a greater chance to get Sehwag then Steyn.....you can very well substitute Shaun Pollock for Asif here...Pollock was the same master class in nipping the ball back in with his wrist..........
    yeah Asif is a replica of post 2000 Pollock but I think you are underrating Sehwag a touch here he may not move his feet but he still has good balance I don't expect Asif to trouble him on a flat deck infact I can see a lot of carnage.The only bowler who I see that can trouble Sehwag on a flat deck is someone who gets late outswing(Steyn,Hilfy) or gets extra bunce with good pace(Morkel).

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    Pardon me, but isn't Asif a tad overrated? He's been there for about 5 years, but hasn't even taken 100 test wickets. Roughly he's the equivalent of a batsman who's scored 1500 runs in 5 years of test cricket. I don't think he's played enough to really get a fair assessment of him as a versatile bowler either. His figures are hugely skewed by some ridiculous average in sri lanka where he's taken bout a 5th of his test wickets in just 2 matches. Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Pardon me, but isn't Asif a tad overrated? He's been there for about 5 years, but hasn't even taken 100 test wickets. Roughly he's the equivalent of a batsman who's scored 1500 runs in 5 years of test cricket. I don't think he's played enough to really get a fair assessment of him as a versatile bowler either. His figures are hugely skewed by some ridiculous average in sri lanka where he's taken bout a 5th of his test wickets in just 2 matches. Hmmm.
    No he isn't and his record is good everywhere (besides Pakistan though few matches played there and to a lesser extent an averagish record in Australia which he took a step towards rectifying on their recent tour despite having a lot of wickets dropped).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Pardon me, but isn't Asif a tad overrated? He's been there for about 5 years, but hasn't even taken 100 test wickets. Roughly he's the equivalent of a batsman who's scored 1500 runs in 5 years of test cricket. I don't think he's played enough to really get a fair assessment of him as a versatile bowler either. His figures are hugely skewed by some ridiculous average in sri lanka where he's taken bout a 5th of his test wickets in just 2 matches. Hmmm.
    So why having a good record in SL goes against him, how many fast bowlers do well in Lanka against that batting line up.

    asif has had some fantastic series against quality batting its not like his figures are boosted by minnow bashing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Pardon me, but isn't Asif a tad overrated? He's been there for about 5 years, but hasn't even taken 100 test wickets. Roughly he's the equivalent of a batsman who's scored 1500 runs in 5 years of test cricket. I don't think he's played enough to really get a fair assessment of him as a versatile bowler either. His figures are hugely skewed by some ridiculous average in sri lanka where he's taken bout a 5th of his test wickets in just 2 matches. Hmmm.
    Didn't see him bowl in South Africa or Australia then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Pardon me, but isn't Asif a tad overrated? He's been there for about 5 years, but hasn't even taken 100 test wickets. Roughly he's the equivalent of a batsman who's scored 1500 runs in 5 years of test cricket. I don't think he's played enough to really get a fair assessment of him as a versatile bowler either. His figures are hugely skewed by some ridiculous average in sri lanka where he's taken bout a 5th of his test wickets in just 2 matches. Hmmm.
    WTFudge?? Asif overrated???

    He hasnt played enough in all those years, he was banned remember?

    Asif probably is the best flat track bowler in the world, this guys able to somehow get seam movement in any conditions.

    And no hes not a swing bowler, he gets insane movement both ways of the seam which is far more threatening than swing.

    Asif is Glenn Mgrath like accurate and has caused enough problems with his medium paced but quickly rising bouncers.

    I would say Asif would get the best of sehwag 7 times out of 10. There are obviously the odd times when Sehwag would dominate, thats always a given.

    Asif made Pieterson look foolish though consistently.

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    Those spells in Sri Lanka were out of this world, he made Jaya, Sangakara and the likes look foolish, absolutely unplayable deliveries. He did the same in South Africa.

    Herre are a few clips, Asif in Srilanka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYg17TJj8Rk


    CHECK OUT this spell against South Africa.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBZMc9ue6mw
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    Watch this clip from 0:45 to 1:20: YouTube - Muhammad Asif Destroys Indian Batting

    Turned like an offbreak. Amazing.

    YouTube - Mohammad Asif 3 bowled in Karachi

    @ Sehwag,
    'You could drive a tram through that bat and pad'.

    Only bowler I've ever seen get consistent movement off a subcontient track. Phenomenal.

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    The spells he bowled in SL were amazing and he made the likes of Jayasuria and Sangakara look like elementary school kids batting. Just look at how many times he shattered the furniture in SL when no shot was being offered by a batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdu_ben91 View Post
    Watch this clip from 0:45 to 1:20: YouTube - Muhammad Asif Destroys Indian Batting

    Turned like an offbreak. Amazing.

    YouTube - Mohammad Asif 3 bowled in Karachi

    @ Sehwag,
    'You could drive a tram through that bat and pad'.

    Only bowler I've ever seen get consistent movement off a subcontient track. Phenomenal.
    This....exactly what moved me to start the thread....


    It is not even so much about Sehwag's lack of foot work that got him, to me Asif's ability to deceive is what makes him more threatening.

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