Bounce

[Xuhaib]

Is it the most important skill for both seamer and spinner?

Discuss.

[Uppercut]

It's the most important aspect in determining the difference between a good pitch and a bad pitch.

I'm a big fan of seamers who get good bounce but it's not always clear cut. I've heard people criticise inswing bowlers like Sidebottom and Bracken for getting too much bounce and negating the lbw. I didn't overly agree, but it's worth considering.

[Migara]

The bounce should be unexpected by the batsman and reproducible. If a bowler can produce the ball that bounces a bit more (or keeps a bit low) with the same bowling action it would be a one of the greatest varieties to have.

[mohammad16]

Variable bounce is just as important as swing.

There are two kind of shots, horizontal bat shots and verticle ones.

For batsmen who are playing horizontal bat shots, variable bounce is just as if they are facing a ball that is swinging up and down instead of sideways, but the bat is sideways anyways trying to hook or pull, so the bounce plays a huge role in this respect.

[Shri]

If there was no variable bounce, Kumble wouldn't have played international cricket for long.

[Faisal1985]

Why is it then that the pitches with variable bounce are always considered "bad" for cricket?

IMO consistent bounce is not as beneficial for fast or spin bowling, once a good batsman knows it then its quite useless because the element of surprise is gone.

Bowling has become all about deception and variable bounce brings the surprise package which is always going to be a major factor in fast and spin bowling.

[mohammad16]

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

Why is it then that the pitches with variable bounce are always considered "bad" for cricket?

IMO consistent bounce is not as beneficial for fast or spin bowling, once a good batsman knows it then its quite useless because the element of surprise is gone.

Bowling has become all about deception and variable bounce brings the surprise package which is always going to be a major factor in fast and spin bowling.

Variable bounce is bad, just as cracks are, you never know what the balls going to do as it pitches and that is not a good surface to play on as players can seriously get hurt

good bouncy wickets which offer consistence bounce are still tough to play on, but if you are good enough, you can deal with the bounce and it allows you to also play powerful shots off the backfoot.

[zaremba]

A bouncy quick wicket is a terrific thing, it makes for good cricket. Everyone's in the game: batsmen, quicks, and spinners (as a long-suffering legspinner there's nothing I'd rather see than a quick bouncy pitch).

[Shri]

Originally Posted by mohammad16

Variable bounce is bad, just as cracks are, you never know what the balls going to do as it pitches and that is not a good surface to play on as players can seriously get hurt

good bouncy wickets which offer consistence bounce are still tough to play on, but if you are good enough, you can deal with the bounce and it allows you to also play powerful shots off the backfoot.

People shouldn't play sport if they don't like getting hurt. At least, thats what we tell the opponent after making a nasty tackle in soccer.

[Top_Cat]

Originally Posted by metallics2006

If there was no variable bounce, Kumble wouldn't have played international cricket for long.

DWTA. He showed that on two tours to OZ playing on pitches so flat, several aircraft were sighted on short final for them.

Anyway, there are many bowlers playing at lower levels of the game who can swing the ball miles but without bounce, they just don't get out really top batters. It just makes a bowler that much tougher to play (and that much easier if the pitch negates them). Essential for any pace bowler to learn to hit the seam.

[mohammad16]

Originally Posted by metallics2006

People shouldn't play sport if they don't like getting hurt. At least, thats what we tell the opponent after making a nasty tackle in soccer.

Barcelona dont make the nasty tackles most english clubs do, yet they are the best in the game and the most beautiful to watch. If you want to see people getting hurt, watch MMA.

[Shri]

Originally Posted by mohammad16

Barcelona dont make the nasty tackles most english clubs do, yet they are the best in the game and the most beautiful to watch. If you want to see people getting hurt, watch MMA.

Ever heard of rugby? Ever heard of injuries suffered while playing soccer? Did I say that I like to see people get hurt? The fact is, cricketers are a bunch of sissies compared to other sportsmen.

[Shri]

Originally Posted by Top_Cat

DWTA. He showed that on two tours to OZ playing on pitches so flat, several aircraft were sighted on short final for them.

Anyway, there are many bowlers playing at lower levels of the game who can swing the ball miles but without bounce, they just don't get out really top batters. It just makes a bowler that much tougher to play (and that much easier if the pitch negates them). Essential for any pace bowler to learn to hit the seam.

Kumble wasn't a huge turner of the ball, he was a master of manipulating invariable bounce if the pitch offered assistance to him. Compare his record in Delhi to his record in other grounds. He looked like he worked hard to get wickets on flat pitches, bowl him in a pitch with uneven bounce and he was better than any bowler in the world.

[Top_Cat]

Originally Posted by metallics2006

Kumble wasn't a huge turner of the ball, he was a master of manipulating invariable bounce if the pitch offered assistance to him. Compare his record in Delhi to his record in other grounds. He looked like he worked hard to get wickets on flat pitches, bowl him in a pitch with uneven bounce and he was better than any bowler in the world.

Hang on, that's not what you said. You said if it wasn't for variable bounce he wouldn't have played international cricket for long. Yes he was unplayable on uneven pitches and less dangerous on flat pitches but he still found a way to take Test wickets. Don't believe for a second if he played on flatter pitches, he'd have had a shorter career. You don't take 500+ Test wickets by being anything other than a quality bowler.

[Burgey]

Always reckon it's a different game when a bowler gets good bounce. Great challenge as a batsman (even at my moderate level) when you have contrasting bounce from the bowlers at either end.