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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Hang on, that's not what you said. You said if it wasn't for variable bounce he wouldn't have played international cricket for long. Yes he was unplayable on uneven pitches and less dangerous on flat pitches but he still found a way to take Test wickets. Don't believe for a second if he played on flatter pitches, he'd have had a shorter career. You don't take 500+ Test wickets by being anything other than a quality bowler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    Why is it then that the pitches with variable bounce are always considered "bad" for cricket?
    Are they?

    I hate low bounce. Variable bounce is fine. It doesn't make for fantastic cricket to watch but there's a competitive contest between bat and ball. Low bounce is just, ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metallics2006 View Post
    Ever heard of rugby? Ever heard of injuries suffered while playing soccer? Did I say that I like to see people get hurt? The fact is, cricketers are a bunch of sissies compared to other sportsmen.
    I agree that cricketers are sissies but at the same time i think its important to distinguish between a contact sport and a sport like Cricket/Baseball/Volleyball/Tennis/Badminton which can't be contact sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Are they?

    I hate low bounce. Variable bounce is fine. It doesn't make for fantastic cricket to watch but there's a competitive contest between bat and ball. Low bounce is just, ugh.
    Most of the time i have heard that oh the wicket has too much variable bounce and that is "dangerous"....i don't understand why is it becoming so biased...?

    I still enjoy a good bouncer or a ripping yorker shattering stumps more then i enjoy a six or a boundary...that's just me...


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    I love leggies doing a sort of googly-bouncer that catches the edge and gets caught
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    Ideally, you always prefer a pitch with "good bounce" - ie, up the higher end of the spectrum. Bounce however isn't an on-off thing - you don't get "high bounce" and "low bounce" - it's a continuum. Personally I like a bouncy seamer, I like a bouncy turner, but I'd prefer have a low slow seamer than a bouncy non-seamer, as both bowler and spectator.

    As for inconsistent or true bounce - well, personally I never want to see too many decks with uneven bounce, but it's a great shame if you don't get any. As a bowler, uneven bounce - which there is simply no way of producing with your own efforts, it depends entirely on the deck - is a great weapon to have, especially if you can bowl straight.

    And as far as bounce under the control of the bowler rather than the deck is concerned - ie, the height that the bowler delivers from - well, clearly the more bounce you get the more potent any away-swing is going to be, and potentially the less potent any inswing is going to be. High bounce also has the advantage, however, of putting batsmen in two minds, meaning any sideways movement is more likely to make an impact as the batsman is less confident committing to the front-foot.

    Again on a personal level, as a bowler who gets precious little bounce from my own short frame, the rare occasion you get to bowl on a deck with real bounce is a godsend. Completely transforms the game and is in fact very exciting.
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    No surprise that the two of the best test knocks I have seen were at Perth against a good to great Aussie fast bowling line up on a wicket with a LOT of pace and bounce.. No surprises that the hundreds were scored by Sachin and Lara...
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    Given that a bouncy, seaming deck with quality seam and\or swing bowlers bowling is about as challenging as batting gets, a chanceless century (even if not all that big a one) on such a deck is always going to be a career highlight for even the best batsmen.

    In short, thanks for stating the obvious.
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    Agree with T_C, if you're a bowler who can hit the seam and get good bounce then you're always an asset to the team. It's very important. Gives the batsman less time to play their shots, especially when it's combined with sideways movement (ala McGrath).
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