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    openers: gooch/strauss
    middle order: vaughan/pietersen/thorpe/collingwood/
    all-rounders:stewart/flintoff
    bowlers:gough/caddick/fraser

    12th man: swann

    it is a bit batting heavy and there is no spinner. but i will live with this four man pace attack and hope that eventually swann will be good enough to be in the team, may be in place of collingwood or fraser
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Opener View Post
    Sorry, but Fraser has to be there ahead of Hoggard. Best England bowler of this period for my money.
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    My thoughts:

    Graham Gooch
    Alastair Cook
    Paul Pritchard
    John Stephenson
    Nasser Hussain (*)
    Ronnie Irani (3/4)
    Derek Pringle (4/5)
    James Foster (+)
    Neil Foster (1)
    Mark Ilott (2)
    Peter Such (5/3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Pietersen View Post
    1. Andrew Strauss
    2. Graham Gooch
    3. Robin Smith
    4. Kevin Pietersen
    5. Graham Thorpe
    6. Alec Stewart+
    7. Andrew Flintoff
    8. Graeme Swann
    9. Darren Gough
    10. Angus Fraser
    11. Andrew Caddick
    Think that is exactly what I would go with.


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    I haven't watched much of Swann but is he really that much better than Panesar used to be at the start of his career? What are his long-term prospects like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    I haven't watched much of Swann but is he really that much better than Panesar used to be at the start of his career? What are his long-term prospects like?
    I would like to think Swann has better long term prospects than Monty because:

    a) he is a far better batsman and fielder
    b) he seems tougher mentally. Every off-spinner is going to have days when they are "found out" so to speak but Swanny looks like the kind of character that keeps bouncing back whereas Monty clearly went into his shell
    c) Swanny has greater variation, and seems the more streetwise cricketer.
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    Considering that Robin Smith's best series by far was the 1989 Ashes does he really deserve to be in an England XI based on performances post 1990?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromLancs View Post
    I would like to think Swann has better long term prospects than Monty because:

    a) he is a far better batsman and fielder
    b) he seems tougher mentally. Every off-spinner is going to have days when they are "found out" so to speak but Swanny looks like the kind of character that keeps bouncing back whereas Monty clearly went into his shell
    c) Swanny has greater variation, and seems the more streetwise cricketer.
    Thanks for that. Yeah, I'd agree that his personality definitely seems to be better suited to the rigours of Test cricket than Monty.

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    Think pretty much every viable selection has been named already, but one possibility would be to have Stewie opening (where he averages 46, I believe) and Prior (yes, really) as keeper.
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    The thing that strikes me about this thread is how little choice there is when picking England's best players over two decades. You could name a squad of 16 or 17 and there would be no room for serious argument afaics. Doesn't say much for the depth of talent produced during the period under discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slippyslip View Post
    Considering that Robin Smith's best series by far was the 1989 Ashes does he really deserve to be in an England XI based on performances post 1990?
    Yeah I think so. He had a good series in '89 but it's not as though his performances in the late 80s were noticeably better than the early 90s. He played against a couple of all-time great spinners in the early 90s and found them harder to deal with than all-time great quicks.

    He'd be in my squad and if the opposition had a great spinner in favourable conditions I'd probably leave him out, but if they were pace-heavy (or had less-than-outstanding spinners) I'd want to play him every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromLancs View Post
    I would like to think Swann has better long term prospects than Monty because:

    a) he is a far better batsman and fielder
    b) he seems tougher mentally. Every off-spinner is going to have days when they are "found out" so to speak but Swanny looks like the kind of character that keeps bouncing back whereas Monty clearly went into his shell
    c) Swanny has greater variation, and seems the more streetwise cricketer.
    Yup, all true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Pietersen View Post
    1. Andrew Strauss
    2. Graham Gooch
    3. Michael Vaughan > Robin Smith
    4. Kevin Pietersen
    5. Graham Thorpe
    6. Alec Stewart+
    7. Andrew Flintoff
    8. Graeme Swann
    9. Darren Gough
    10. Angus Fraser
    11. Simon Jones > Andrew Caddick
    Agree with your side apart from the 2 corrections above

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    My thoughts:

    Graham Gooch
    Alastair Cook
    Paul Pritchard
    John Stephenson
    Nasser Hussain (*)
    Ronnie Irani (3/4)
    Derek Pringle (4/5)
    James Foster (+)
    Neil Foster (1)
    Mark Ilott (2)
    Peter Such (5/3)

    And Ravi Bopara still can't get a look in. Sad, but true.
    Stephenson's only Test came in 1989 - might as well pick Tom Graveney then eh?

    Anyway, I think I did this topic not so long ago, and said I'd go for Gooch, Atherton, Smith, Hussain, Stewart, Pietersen, Thorpe, Flintoff, Caddick, Gough, Fraser. Strauss, Cook and Bell all - I hope - in with a shot at getting in further down the line though.
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    Interesting that there isnt one batsman averaging above 50 in these listings
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