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    In recent series of England & West Indies both Bangladesh & Zimbabwe both showed lot of courage. Wat do guys think these guys will have for 2011 Cricket World Cup?
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    I think Bangladesh, particularly in games that they host, might be a surprise package at the World Cup.

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    Bangladesh will be competitive to an extent, only in as much that their games won't be assumed walkovers. Still can't see them going far though.
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    Their spin attack will probably see victories at home become more likely but their total lack of a pace attack means they'll still be facing defeats abroad for along time to come.
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    Best batsmen so far in 2010


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Their spin attack will probably see victories at home become more likely but their total lack of a pace attack means they'll still be facing defeats abroad for along time to come.
    Bit like India for the best part of the twentieth century then.

    Bangladesh offer the only reasonable chance (possibly, just possibly with the exception of Afghanistan) of another Test-class nation emerging in the foreseeable future. They have a huge population, cricket is the number one sport in the country, they aren't reliant on players from southern hemisphere backgrounds or expats. The big problems are financial, the apparent mental cricketing deficiencies of many of the players and a population with a relatively small average height, which will make producing a pace attack and a batting lineup which can survive on fast pitches far more difficult to obtain. If Bangladesh can become a Test-class side in 20 years time, regardless of the one-sided clashes in between, I think that would be a success story. Saying that they shouldn't have been promoted in the first place is not helping the situation, as correct as that statement may be - they are here to stay now and forcing them to play other nations' A sides, Australian states or associate nations on a permanent basis would just destroy Bangladesh's interest in the game.

    Besides, there are bigger issues at stake here. Bangladesh is a poor country, the vast majority of the population living in poverty. Have a look at India and the importance of cricket to the people: it's the country's biggest pride. Take Bangladesh's cricket team away from the people and what have they got to represent them on a world stage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Best batsmen so far in 2010

    Bangladesh have played more Tests than anyone so far this year though. Those numbers are virtually irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo View Post
    Bangladesh have played more Tests than anyone so far this year though. Those numbers are virtually irrelevant.
    Bangladesh never played themselves right? Also averages are quite good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Best batsmen so far in 2010

    Or you could look at it this way:

    Team W - D - L
    AUS 3 - 0 - 0
    IND 3 - 0 - 1
    SAf 2 - 1 - 1
    ENG 2 - 1 - 1
    NZl 1 - 0 - 1
    PAK 0 - 0 - 2
    BAN 0 - 0 - 5

    Or you could calculate it this way: so far in 2010, each wicket taken in test cricket has cost on average 38.41 runs. So a 3 wicket win can be equivalent to (3 x 38.41 runs) = 115.2 run win. In which case the table looks like this:

    AUS plus 651.1
    IND plus 548.1
    SAf plus 407.1
    ENG plus 68.6
    NZl minus 263.1
    PAK minus 267.0
    BAN minus 1,144.8

    Not quite approaching test class yet.
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    Caculate WI over the last 2 or so years eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick-o View Post
    Or you could look at it this way:

    Team W - D - L
    AUS 3 - 0 - 0
    IND 3 - 0 - 1
    SAf 2 - 1 - 1
    ENG 2 - 1 - 1
    NZl 1 - 0 - 1
    PAK 0 - 0 - 2
    BAN 0 - 0 - 5

    Or you could calculate it this way: so far in 2010, each wicket taken in test cricket has cost on average 38.41 runs. So a 3 wicket win can be equivalent to (3 x 38.41 runs) = 115.2 run win. In which case the table looks like this:

    AUS plus 651.1
    IND plus 548.1
    SAf plus 407.1
    ENG plus 68.6
    NZl minus 263.1
    PAK minus 267.0
    BAN minus 1,144.8

    Not quite approaching test class yet.
    Did I say they are a great team now? No.

    I just said their batting has improved by a huge margin as compared to what they were 2 years back.

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    So you're saying the game just completed is equivalent to about a 350 run win? Bit of a flaw there methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    So you're saying the game just completed is equivalent to about a 350 run win? Bit of a flaw there methinks.
    Obviuously it's just a way of playing with numbers. I'm not suggesting it's a meaningful statistical measure. But I think it gives an idea of comparative standing. Not absolute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Caculate WI over the last 2 or so years eh?
    At a rough glance:

    From 01 Jan 2008 to present:

    PAK 1 - 4 - 6
    WIN 2 - 8- 11
    BAN 2 - 1 - 14

    Average "cost" of a wicket: 36.14

    PAK minus 631
    WIN minus 1,922.9
    BAN minis 4,035.1

    Like I say, just a fun way of playing with numbers. Although for a longer period like this, average deficit per match would be more meaningful:

    PAK minus 57.4
    WIN minus 91.6
    BAN minus 237.4

    Obviously not test class yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Did I say they are a great team now? No.

    I just said their batting has improved by a huge margin as compared to what they were 2 years back.
    Yeah, I hope I didn't sound aggressive. Sure they've come on, and I hope they come on a lot further. I always root for them, whoever they're playing.

    They have some great new talent, but they fall a long way short at the moment.

    As you can see, I enjoy playing with numbers.

    Since Bangladesh gained test status, the average cost of a wicket has been about 34.2. So you could say that a batsman who averages 34.2 or more, and a bowler who averages 34.2 or less, is "test class"

    In which case (taking 20 innings minimum qulaification) Bangladesh have produced exactly two test class cricketers so far (Tamim and Shakib are the only ones who meet that critria).

    But I'm sure the number will grow, and I look forward to that.

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