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    Can NZ cricket ever recover?

    NZ is probably my second favorite team after India. Though its sad to see them getting their butts kicked all the time. Other then Sir Hadlee, they have nothing to cheer.

    They cant win major tournys or tests. Their batting is very inconsistent. Only one in their team who is reliable is Dan.

    They didn't have many good test batsman. Crowe was probably their best who still falls in third tier or lower when compared to greats.

    Can NZ cricket ever recover and be top 3 side in Tests or ODI for good duration of time?
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    Greatest ODI XI::: A Gilchrist, S Tendulkar, R Ponting*, V Richards, M Dhoni, M Bevan, S Pollock, W Akram, S Warne, J Garner, M Muralitharan, A Donald
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    Pretty sure we're comfortably 4th in the world at ODIs now, when Ryder and Mills return we might challenge the top 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus0723 View Post
    NZ is probably my second favorite team after India. Though its sad to see them getting their butts kicked all the time. Other then Sir Hadlee, they have nothing to cheer.

    They cant win major tournys or tests. Their batting is very inconsistent. Only one in their team who is reliable is Dan.

    Only good test batsman they ever had was Crowe. Who still falls in third tier or lower when compared to greats.

    Can NZ cricket ever recover and be top 3 side in Tests or ODI for good duration of time?
    Oh dear.

    Yes, I believe we can. We don't need much to be competitve, and there's a few guys running around with world class potential (I stress the world potential) rather than just one or two. If they're nutured correctly then I believe we can make a challenge.

    But thats just the thing, some of the coaching stories you hear about the NZ academy are terrifying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    But thats just the thing, some of the coaching stories you hear about the NZ academy are terrifying...
    I would like to hear them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus0723 View Post
    NZ is probably my second favorite team after India. Though its sad to see them getting their butts kicked all the time. Other then Sir Hadlee, they have nothing to cheer.

    They cant win major tournys or tests. Their batting is very inconsistent. Only one in their team who is reliable is Dan.

    Only good test batsman they ever had was Crowe. Who still falls in third tier or lower when compared to greats.

    Can NZ cricket ever recover and be top 3 side in Tests or ODI for good duration of time?
    That's an overstatement. Only brilliant test batsmen they have had in the last 30 years is Crowe is a more correct statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teja. View Post
    That's an overstatement. Only brilliant test batsmen they have had in the last 30 years is Crowe is a more correct statement.
    I guess that's what I meant.

    Thought brilliant in their own sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teja. View Post
    That's an overstatement. Only brilliant test batsmen they have had in the last 30 years is Crowe is a more correct statement.
    Very true. Andrew Jones, Stephen Fleming and Mark Richardson were all worthy of the label "good test batsman", IMO.

    Ross Taylor might be heading that way too, and hopefully Ryder will join him.

    The lack of penetrative bowling options in Tests at the moment worries me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus0723 View Post
    I would like to hear them.
    Brent Arnel was a promising young fast bowler back in the day.

    One day he complained of back pain.

    The academy diagnosis was he was imagining it and needed to harden up.

    Look at the speeds Arnel clocks these days to see what happened.

    In the tour thread Hurricane (I think) mentioned that the academy seems to have this notion that at test level you need to hustle in and whack it in to get good players out. Swing bowling is neglected.

    Then there's the fiddling with players actions, like Southee's. Thats not so much the academy as the coaching environment in general, but you see the point..

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ed_ View Post
    Very true. Andrew Jones, Stephen Fleming and Mark Richardson were all worthy of the label "good test batsman", IMO.

    Ross Taylor might be heading that way too, and hopefully Ryder will join him.

    The lack of penetrative bowling options in Tests at the moment worries me though.
    Nathan Astle too imo. Chris Cairns for a large sum of his career had a batting average in the 40s too iirc.

    EDIT: Styris and Oram before injury said hi were quite good, then there's Dan the Man.

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    Yeah we're going to have some professional bowling and keep good tight lines but we won't trouble the top batting teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teja. View Post
    That's an overstatement. Only brilliant test batsmen they have had in the last 30 years is Crowe is a more correct statement.
    Indeed. There were a couple of world class batsmen back in the days that we had no chance of winning a test. You need more than a couple of bats to win a game.

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    Trent Boult probably the epitome of it.

    EDIT: Quietly smirking that CD, who always get mocked for their attack having no talent, have Ben Wheeler, Bevan Small, Adam Milne and Doug Bracewell as their youngsters in the ranks.
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    Recover from where they are now? I'd like to think New Zealand can, it will take a while however.

    What New Zealand cricket have to do is set something up for the fast bowlers coming through, whether that's setting up a lot more A tours, or sending them away on some sort of bowling camp in another country, I have no idea. But they have too have them bowling in different conditions during the winter as bowling in practice nets isn't going to do anyone any good.

    I've seen quite a lot of domestic cricket this summer and New Zealand does have some talent coming through, problem is it's about 2/3 years away from being international quality I spose (not standard).
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    What are NZ going to recover from, its not like they were once a top team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwise View Post
    What are NZ going to recover from, its not like they were once a top team.
    I believe quite recently we were 3rd in the world in tests, back when Fleming's side were at the height of their power.

    There were also the Hadlee years.

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