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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz View Post
    No it doesn't matter how you did it.
    It does, actually, because your claim was that I'd made the inference then created the stats to back that up - which is wrong, I'd seen what happened, made the inference and then showed how the stats - which are a reflection of what happened - demonstrate that.
    The whole process is taking bigger chunk of Lee's good games. 25% compared to Mcgrath's 18.
    McGrath is entirely irrelevant. So is what size "chunk of good games" is taken.
    It is funny to see adding another Criteria since your last post. Earlier in the thread you said the following :-

    Now all at a sudden you have cleverly inserted another criteria (marked in the post above.

    And you are still wrong, you do not know what happened in every thread.Here are a some of matches where Lee was economic but not penetrative.

    2nd ODI: Australia v Bangladesh at Cairns, Aug 3, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
    12th Match: Australia v England at Jaipur, Oct 21, 2006 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
    4th ODI: India v Australia at Chandigarh, Oct 8, 2007 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
    Err, what happened in every thread matters how precisely? And yes, there are four categories, which are fairly obvious and don't need any "clever insertion" - expensive and penetrative, expensive and innocuous, economical and innocuous, and economical and penetrative. All along I've said that Lee was very rarely either the first or third - he was usually either the second or fourth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thierry henry View Post
    I also don't see, prima facie, what would make Wasim so clearly superior to a McGrath or a Pollock (so so underrated) as an ODI bowler.
    Wasim's excellence as a death-bowler, plainly and simply. Pollock especially was not a death-bowler, Wasim was as good as either at the start of an innings and much better at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    In regards to Wasim I thing his test match performances suffered once he became diabatic.
    Never knew that was during his career actually - had thought he was diabetic since before he started playing. When did he acquire it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    I don't think you know how to express your complicated opinion very well, may be because the opinion itself is so complex that it bears no significance in the end.

    So now the whole debate is about how many times a bowler aimed for a certain area on the pitch and how many times the bowler actually got it right where he wanted it. How do you know unless you are a mind reader..
    You don't need to be a mind-reader to know, really. No bowler ever deliberately bowls a long-hop, or a half-volley on leg-stump, or any form of "bad" delivery. Or, if he does, he's very stupid.

    Accuracy means ability to hit the spot you're attempting to hit. It does not mean percentage of deliveries on a line to hit the stumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Never knew that was during his career actually - had thought he was diabetic since before he started playing. When did he acquire it?
    end 98 i believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    You don't need to be a mind-reader to know, really. No bowler ever deliberately bowls a long-hop, or a half-volley on leg-stump, or any form of "bad" delivery. Or, if he does, he's very stupid.

    Accuracy means ability to hit the spot you're attempting to hit. It does not mean percentage of deliveries on a line to hit the stumps.
    Bowlers do bowl sucker balls occasionally after a lot of good ones to get wickets.

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    A "sucker ball" generally takes the form of a "carrot ball" though - something that's wide but not on a real full or short length, that tempts a batsman to go after it but with his hesitency causes a false stroke.

    And of course a carrot ball works far, far less often than it doesn't. And in aiming for a carrot ball you can perfectly easily bowl a wide long-hop which will almost invariably get smashed.
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