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    Shocking Declines

    Does Ian Botham represent one of the worst declines among test cricketers in the past 50 years?

    Test Matches played = 102

    First 51

    Batting- Average 38.8.
    11 Centuries

    Bowling- 231 wickets @ 23.06

    Second 51

    Batting - Average = 28.86
    3 Centuries

    Bowling- 152 wickets @ 36.50


    Admittedly, there have been many players who have become worse and worse as time passes- but as Botham was a genuine allrounder, and a great one at that, is his decline among the most shocking in test cricket?
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    Hard to go past Beefy, be interesting to look at Richards career split into halves

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    The Colonel Dulip Vengsarkar
    Between 86 and 88 the best batsman in the world.
    Hundred's at Leeds and Lords in 86 on green seamers.
    Some say it was a text book performance on how to play on seaming wickets.
    A couple of hundred's against the WI followed.
    I think he averaged > 90 between 86 and 88 incl. 8 hundreds.
    Unfortunately after `88 it went pear shaped for the next 4 years.
    Ended his test career in Aus 91/92 after a nightmare series.
    Last 18 tests 612@ 22.67 incl 5 half centuries.
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    He did play an innings of utter brilliance in the Ranji Trophy Final for Bombay vs Kapil Dev's Haryana in 1990/91 season.
    139* off 137 balls incl 5 sixes and 9 fours.
    But that match deserves it's own thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0RI0N View Post
    The Colonel Dulip Vengsarkar
    Between 86 and 88 the best batsman in the world.
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    Yeah, I vaguely remember that because Crowe seemed to always be no 2 to Vengsarkar accordingly to the ratings in that period


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    Jimmy Adams is a dramatic case whose decline started exactly at the half-way mark of his career; he averaged 61 in his first 27 tests and 26 in his last 27 tests. Possibly an injury from a bouncer in 1995 played a major role.

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    Neil Harvey is another well-known case though not as dramatic as Adams. He averaged 62 after his first 39 tests and 36 in his last 40. You have to feel a bit sorry for the guy. How intimidating it must have been to burst on the scene just when Bradman retired. After 9 tests and at just 21 Harvey averaged an incredible 106. The expectations would have been enormous and despite a few remarkable series in later years he couldn't live up to them.
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    Kim Hughes

    Started his final year in test cricket with a batting average of 41 and his career averaging 37 - a ridiculously low figure for someone that is generally considered to have played at least 2 of the best innings of all time

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    Makhaya Ntini gotta be there, just a couple years ago he took more wickets than anyone else that calendar year, now he's all but written off.

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    I forget the guy's name, but wasn't there an Indian spinner in the late 80s who burst onto the scene, tore a few people apart and then disappeared as quickly as he'd arrived.

    And maybe, like Uppercut, Mendis could fit in this category
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    Jimmy Adams is a dramatic case whose decline started exactly at the half-way mark of his career; he averaged 61 in his first 27 tests and 26 in his last 27 tests. Possibly an injury from a bouncer in 1995 played a major role.
    Unbelievable. I knew Jimmy faded away somewhat but I just ran him though Statsguru and as you say-

    First 27 tests = 61 with 5 centuries

    Last 27 tests = 25.58 with 1 century

    ......cricinfo also notes that after 12 tests only Don Bradman had better stats than Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
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    That's the fulla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    That's the fulla.
    Likewise Laxman Sivaramakrishnan

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    Arthur Morris would fall into this category too. He scored 10 centuries in his first 36 Test innings, and just 2 in the 43 that followed. His average in that time fell from the 60-70 zone down to its final point of 46.48.
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