Doctoring the pitch

The_roc · 28-02-2010, 07:33 AM

Was watching the England Bangladesh match and they were looking at the pitch for Tuesdays game. It's got a green tinge, but the betting was it wouldn't still be there on Tuesday.

We have neutral umpires in international cricket, is it time for neutral groundsman? Bet a neutral wouldn't have come up with the Oval wicket for the 5th Ashes test.

Migara · 28-02-2010, 07:35 AM

Have neutral players and the croicket will be the best game ever.

The_roc · 28-02-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Migara

Have neutral players .

You mean like have a load of foriegn players in the England line up?

silentstriker · 28-02-2010, 07:40 AM

It would suck a lot if there was no variety when touring countries.

SirBloody Idiot · 28-02-2010, 07:41 AM

Yeah, I reckon there's too little home team advantage these days as it is without adding to it.

Migara · 28-02-2010, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The_roc

You mean like have a load of foriegn players in the England line up?

Have a team out of different nationalities, or even better, brain wash them, so they won't have a nationality . . .

Sir Alex · 28-02-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The_roc

Was watching the England Bangladesh match and they were looking at the pitch for Tuesdays game. It's got a green tinge, but the betting was it wouldn't still be there on Tuesday.

We have neutral umpires in international cricket, is it time for neutral groundsman? Bet a neutral wouldn't have come up with the Oval wicket for the 5th Ashes test.

Why bother to have home and away tests?

Migara · 28-02-2010, 08:47 AM

Or is it sour grapes?

jeevan · 28-02-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Migara

Have a team out of different nationalities, or even better, brain wash them, so they won't have a nationality . . .

You mean have arbitrary corporate franchises like the IPL?

Migara · 28-02-2010, 09:32 AM

slippyslip · 28-02-2010, 09:32 AM

If anything in Australia our pitches have become more "neutral". Compare the WACA to what it was 20 years ago.

The Gabba is most friendly pitch to Australia yet for some reason we don't play against the tougher touring sides there. Neither India or South Africa played their in the 2 years previous to this year.

Perfect example of pitch doctoring was the 3rd test in 2008 for the South Africa v India at Kanpur.

Or the pitch at Mumbai in 2004 for the final match against Australia after Ganguly had a massive cry about the pitch the previous match.

Allow teams to make a complaint if they feel if the pitch has been unfairly doctored. If a pitch is suddenly different from previous years without a good explanation it clearly has been doctored and fine the host nation.

Of course the chances of the ICC ever fining India for pitch doctoring ...

silentstriker · 28-02-2010, 09:39 AM

/Learn2PlaySpin. Apparently that's not part of cricket anymore.

The only way a pitch is doctored is two teams play on a different pitch. ICC had a whinge about the Kanpur pitch, thankfully BCCI can tell them to go stick it up their ass. The problem with that tour in terms of Indian pitches was not the one at Kanpur, but the one two Tests before that.

slippyslip · 28-02-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

/Learn2PlaySpin. Apparently that's not part of cricket anymore.

The only way a pitch is doctored is two teams play on a different pitch. ICC had a whinge about the Kanpur pitch, thankfully BCCI can tell them to go stick it up their ass. The problem with that tour in terms of Indian pitches was not the one at Kanpur, but the one two Tests before that.

Right. Noticed you ignored the 2004 Mumbai pitch. M. Clarke 6/9. What a joke.

When you open the bowling with spin on the 3rd day of a test then something is wrong.

And South Africa played the spin ok on the first day before the pitch crumbled to pieces. Deliberately preparing a pitch that resembles a 3rd day pitch on day 1 is pitch doctoring.

Thats the way cricket has always been. Its not like India invented test cricket. Though, I get the impression from many Indian fans that they now "own" cricket and everyone else can go get stuffed.

silentstriker · 28-02-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slippyslip

Right. Noticed you ignored the 2004 Mumbai pitch. M. Clarke 6/9. What a joke.

When you open the bowling with spin on the 3rd day of a test then something is wrong.

And South Africa played the spin ok on the first day before the pitch crumbled to pieces. Deliberately preparing a pitch that resembles a 3rd day pitch on day 1 is pitch doctoring.

Really, so one team being better at certain conditions is now pitch doctoring? I'll have a whinge if Australia ever prepare the old school WACA pitch again? That's clearly doctoring right?

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Originally Posted by slippyslip

Thats the way cricket has always been.

No, not really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slippyslip

Its not like India invented test cricket. Though, I get the impression from many Indian fans that they now "own" cricket and everyone else can go get stuffed.

Yea, no one should learn to play spin. Also, let's just play the cricket as it should be played, old school:

Nothing has ever changed in cricket.

Sir Alex · 28-02-2010, 10:16 AM

Huh? When was Perth "favorable" to Australia? West Indies used to beat the living daylights of them during the 80s so much that it used to be referred to as "Away ground of Australia". Even India beat them there.

28-02-2010, 07:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
The_roc U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cider Country Posts: 586	Doctoring the pitch Was watching the England Bangladesh match and they were looking at the pitch for Tuesdays game. It's got a green tinge, but the betting was it wouldn't still be there on Tuesday. We have neutral umpires in international cricket, is it time for neutral groundsman? Bet a neutral wouldn't have come up with the Oval wicket for the 5th Ashes test. __________________ Craig Kieswetter - best forward defensive in T20 cricket

28-02-2010, 07:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Migara International Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colombo, SL Posts: 5,175	Have neutral players and the croicket will be the best game ever. __________________ Diuretics are used to look good at TV shows I played for 20 years in the Lankan team, I did not have any problems as a Tamil - Muralidaran

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SirBloody Idiot Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moving the hole in the o-zone layer Posts: 8,442	Yeah, I reckon there's too little home team advantage these days as it is without adding to it.

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Migara International Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colombo, SL Posts: 5,175	Or is it sour grapes?

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28-02-2010, 09:32 AM	#11 (permalink)
slippyslip U19 12th Man Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 281	If anything in Australia our pitches have become more "neutral". Compare the WACA to what it was 20 years ago. The Gabba is most friendly pitch to Australia yet for some reason we don't play against the tougher touring sides there. Neither India or South Africa played their in the 2 years previous to this year. Perfect example of pitch doctoring was the 3rd test in 2008 for the South Africa v India at Kanpur. Or the pitch at Mumbai in 2004 for the final match against Australia after Ganguly had a massive cry about the pitch the previous match. Allow teams to make a complaint if they feel if the pitch has been unfairly doctored. If a pitch is suddenly different from previous years without a good explanation it clearly has been doctored and fine the host nation. Of course the chances of the ICC ever fining India for pitch doctoring ...

28-02-2010, 09:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
silentstriker The Wheel is Forever Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 36,546	/Learn2PlaySpin. Apparently that's not part of cricket anymore. The only way a pitch is doctored is two teams play on a different pitch. ICC had a whinge about the Kanpur pitch, thankfully BCCI can tell them to go stick it up their ass. The problem with that tour in terms of Indian pitches was not the one at Kanpur, but the one two Tests before that.

28-02-2010, 10:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sir Alex Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Nowhere Posts: 4,793	Huh? When was Perth "favorable" to Australia? West Indies used to beat the living daylights of them during the 80s so much that it used to be referred to as "Away ground of Australia". Even India beat them there.

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