The demise of JP...

Zinzan · 19-02-2010, 04:38 AM

At the conclusion of the SA v Aus series in Aus last year I thought Duminy an absolute star had arrived. Not only due to the runs he scored in that series, but the matter in which he scored them. He looked composed at the crease, seemed to have loads of time & appeared to be mature beyond his years. I haven't seen much of him since aside from the odd really bad stream on some crappy site.

What's happened since? Was it a case of him just suiting Australian-like pitches? Has he been exposed against spin? Has there been some technical issue exposed or is it merely a case of bad luck & bad form?

Top_Cat · 19-02-2010, 04:42 AM

Bad trot and doesn't like the ball up around his ears. Too good not to come back strong.

Xuhaib · 19-02-2010, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Top_Cat

Bad trot and doesn't like the ball up around his ears. Too good not to come back strong.

nah is the offies thats are troubling him not the bouncers.

Richard · 19-02-2010, 04:45 AM

Swann certainly produced some pretty damn good deliveries to get rid of him in the SA-vs-Eng series.

Dano.85 · 19-02-2010, 05:27 AM

I just think he is in a bad spell. A lot of players who burst on the world stage get for want of a better word found out, bowlers and teams work out plans to bowl at him, they have found a few chinks in his technique and now he must work on them, if he over comes this spell he will be a good player and i think he has enough talent to do so.

silentstriker · 19-02-2010, 06:37 AM

He got owned by spin in India. Dunno if its a mental thing but he did not look good at all against spin.

chicane · 19-02-2010, 06:47 AM

Yeah he got owned by the spinners, but still early days. That hundred in Australia certainly was no fluke.

pasag · 19-02-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chicane

Yeah he got owned by the spinners, but still early days. That hundred in Australia certainly was no fluke.

Maybe it was.

I doubt it, and I'd be surprised if he didn't go on to have a great career, but the bowling was amongst the most toothless Australian bowling I've ever seen on that day and even Steyn had little troubles playing it. It was a brilliant knock in the context of the match and series and the pressure faced, but not in terms of the actual attack and ground conditions.

HMas · 19-02-2010, 02:21 PM

Demise happens when you reach great heights not 1 good series.

TT Boy · 19-02-2010, 02:32 PM

But it wasn't just one innings by Duminy in Australia, it was the whole series. The innings I remember vividly is the 20/20 game at the MCG. Duminy comes in with South Africa 3 down for nothing, Shaun Tait bowling like the wind, he just got AB out hit wicket and Duminy then precedes to lap sweep Tait for six and then goes onto to score 78 off 40 odd balls.

Tremendous talent, just can’t play off-spin. Wayne Parnell and ****, even Morne Morkel for ten overs looked head and shoulders more astute at playing off-spin than JP and Prince. Parnell refreshingly played Bhaji with the bat.

Woodster · 19-02-2010, 03:02 PM

Yes at the moment he looks like a walking wicket when the off-spinners are on, but in Graeme Swann and Harbhajan Singh he won't come up against many better off spinners around at the moment. There are clearly technical issues with him, but inevitably mental ones too now. He must find a way to overcome these problems no matter how ugly it looks in doing so, whether that's the more positive mode he adopts in limited-overs cricket, uses his feet more, or the entire depth of his crease.

The next 12 months may dictate how big his future is at the highest level.

NUFAN · 19-02-2010, 03:24 PM

He's the South African version of Michael Bevan.

Duminy of course is young and could still have a very successful Test career, he does need a spell on the sidelines though.

chicane · 19-02-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pasag

Maybe it was.

I doubt it, and I'd be surprised if he didn't go on to have a great career, but the bowling was amongst the most toothless Australian bowling I've ever seen on that day and even Steyn had little troubles playing it. It was a brilliant knock in the context of the match and series and the pressure faced, but not in terms of the actual attack and ground conditions.

Hmm, I didn't watch the series live, but saw Johnson and Siddle bowling quite well in a few highlights. Still a damn good knock, even following it on cricinfo that series was incredible.

Richard · 19-02-2010, 05:00 PM

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He's the South African version of Michael Bevan.

So Bevan's trouble was the ball turning away from him?

Thought it was short-pitched stuff.

NUFAN · 19-02-2010, 05:07 PM

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So Bevan's trouble was the ball turning away from him?

Thought it was short-pitched stuff.

Duminy isn't crash hot against the short stuff either.

I meant he's a spin bowling left handed middle order batsman who had a weakness exposed very early in his Test Career, which wasn't found out in First Class Cricket. Both Bevan and Duminy look/looked more comfortable in ODIs.

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Zinzan Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: cover point Posts: 9,734	The demise of JP... At the conclusion of the SA v Aus series in Aus last year I thought Duminy an absolute star had arrived. Not only due to the runs he scored in that series, but the matter in which he scored them. He looked composed at the crease, seemed to have loads of time & appeared to be mature beyond his years. I haven't seen much of him since aside from the odd really bad stream on some crappy site. What's happened since? Was it a case of him just suiting Australian-like pitches? Has he been exposed against spin? Has there been some technical issue exposed or is it merely a case of bad luck & bad form?

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TT Boy Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: . Posts: 16,321	But it wasn't just one innings by Duminy in Australia, it was the whole series. The innings I remember vividly is the 20/20 game at the MCG. Duminy comes in with South Africa 3 down for nothing, Shaun Tait bowling like the wind, he just got AB out hit wicket and Duminy then precedes to lap sweep Tait for six and then goes onto to score 78 off 40 odd balls. Tremendous talent, just can’t play off-spin. Wayne Parnell and ****, even Morne Morkel for ten overs looked head and shoulders more astute at playing off-spin than JP and Prince. Parnell refreshingly played Bhaji with the bat.

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Woodster Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 5,153	Yes at the moment he looks like a walking wicket when the off-spinners are on, but in Graeme Swann and Harbhajan Singh he won't come up against many better off spinners around at the moment. There are clearly technical issues with him, but inevitably mental ones too now. He must find a way to overcome these problems no matter how ugly it looks in doing so, whether that's the more positive mode he adopts in limited-overs cricket, uses his feet more, or the entire depth of his crease. The next 12 months may dictate how big his future is at the highest level.

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NUFAN International Coach Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NSW Posts: 13,754	He's the South African version of Michael Bevan. Duminy of course is young and could still have a very successful Test career, he does need a spell on the sidelines though.

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