Not going to get into Ponting vs. Tendulkar, but deserve doesn't come into it. If you achieve it, you deserve it. Kapil Dev broke Richard Hadlee's record. Dev was nowhere near the bowler Hadlee was.
No one made those runs for him or took wickets for Kapil. He did it year after year. You get the record, and you did it the hard way, and you deserve it.
How many of Tendulkar's tons have come on ridiculously flat pitches in India? Quite a few i'd bet. I'm not slagging Sachin by the way, i just think that Ponting would edge him in an even contest IMHO.
Also the guy has scored more tons away than at home, so that argument is also pretty fail.
If Shane Warne had emerged as a force as he did c. 1993/94 2-3 years ago, and Australia were gearing up for a tour of India, there's no way that Tendulkar now would do the same as he did in 1998.
Tendulkar has scored over half of his tons away from home, averages close to 60 in Australia and over 60 in England, and averages almost exactly outside India what he averages in India.
If Indian pitches were so easy, Ponting would have a better average in India as well.
The "all subcontinental pitches are flat and easy to score runs on" argument is an extremely lazy one.
Last edited by Furball; 15-02-2010 at 11:41 AM.
You all remember M. Yousuf breaking Viv Richards record of making the most runs in a year..To me the discussion of comparing Sachin to Pointing goes the same direction as Sir Viv vs. yousuf.. Is yousuf as good or even better than Sir Viv considering that he has a better average too.. the answer is noo.. yess yousuf made all those runs in a year but he didn't face quality bowling.. he didn't bat tanciously as Sir Viv.. and most importantly he will never have a counter attack style that Sir Viv had.. as a cricket fan, I enjoy those batsman who single handedly dominate the bowlers..Sir Viv used to do that to any bowler that he faced.. Has yousuf ever done this in his whole career.. maybe in a few ocations... but certianly he didn't make a career out of it..
Ponting may have been very lucky that he didn't face the likes of McGrath and Shane Warne.. He didn't face guys like Walsh, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar and Donald at their peak..Sachin faced all of these bowlers at their peak.. he scored alot of runs of them.. So if Ponting would have faced these bowlers and still managed to keep the record he has now.. then he deserved to overtake Sachin's record..
There was a story Shane Warne told about this after he retired:
In 1998, Warne was bowling to Sachin, the ball landed perfectly, spun ferociously and Warne thought it was a wicket for sure. The next thing he knows, Tendulkar nonchalantly got on his knees and hit it against the spin for a boundary.
Taylor came upto Shane after that, and asked: "What do we do now, mate?" And Warne said, "We lose." I don't know how much truth there is in that story, and Warne likes to tell some good ones, but it pretty much epitomized Tendulkar at his peak.
Bradman had the record for most centuries until Gavaskar overtook him. That doesn't mean Gavaskar was a better batsman than Bradman! No one is saying that passing him means Gavaskar was better all of a sudden. That also doesn't mean the feat was undeserved!
I think Sachin might just be pushing clear of Ponting. It will be a great effort from Ponting to claim the record now and if he does it he will deserve it. Really hoping that he doesn't though.
Evidence of Sachin dominating Warne outnumbers the opposite. I cannot in fact recollect the last time when Warne indeed 'troubled' Tendulkar. And to say when the faced off against each other in no fewer than 5 series is pretty much saying it.
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