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  • Gambhir's 55+ batting average

    4 12.90%
  • Yousuf's 53+ batting average

    12 38.71%
  • Jayawardene's 52+ batting average

    3 9.68%
  • Sehwags 53+ batting average

    3 9.68%
  • Hussey's 50+ average in both forms

    1 3.23%
  • Younis Khan's 50+ average

    3 9.68%
  • Steyn's bowling stats

    0 0%
  • Asif's bowling stats

    1 3.23%
  • Broa'ds bowling stats

    1 3.23%
  • Other

    3 9.68%
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    Players with misleading averages....

    Which players do you think have stats that make them out to be much better/worse than they actually are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avada Kedavra View Post
    Which players do you think have stats that make them out to be much better/worse than they actually are?
    All of the above seem about right to me.

    Today namely- Thilan Thusara Samaraweera

    As mentioned on another thread, Mark Waugh's test batting average misleads as to how good a player he was, or at least could be.

    I also wondered why Laxman's average lingered around the 43 mark for so long when he was clearly a masterful player on his day, against the very best as well.

    Any batsman whose average is boosted by a very high % of "not outs". Steve Waugh being an example. Imran Khan when you compare his record with Ian Botham also benefitted through this.

    Murali' stats are slightly distored by Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, he is closer to Warne average and strike rate wise when you remove wickets against them.
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    I would like to say Broad is better than his stats, but as of today he isn't. He is quoted as wanting to be a Mcgrath type bowler but still bowls a bad bowl too many - too close to leg side and half-volleys mainly.

    He will improve though and he has a natural talent with the bat.

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    From your list-


    Gambhir's 55+ batting average- He is young and they will it will even out to the late 40s I am guessing.

    Yousuf's 53+ batting average- About right

    Jayawardene's 52+ batting average- Recognises he can put a massive score on when he gets in.

    Sehwags 53+ batting average- Love him, well deserved.

    Hussey's 50+ average in both forms- His test average is on the way down. He is a finisher in ODIs and is boosted by not outs.

    Younis Khan's 50+ average- Very good player

    Steyn's bowling stats- Very good player

    Asif's bowling stats- Not time enough to tell yet.

    Broad's bowling stats- See my previous post.

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    Mohammad Yousuf is definately not as good as what his career average suggests. His about on par, if not worse then Thilan Samaraweera.

    He averages under 30 against the three best bowling attacks of his generation - Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka.

    Also averages 250 against Bangladesh and 101 against the West Indies (bowlers that average 40+ in test cricket).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromLancs View Post

    Hussey's 50+ average in both forms- His test average is on the way down. He is a finisher in ODIs and is boosted by not outs.

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    Sorry I have to laugh whenever I see an adult who thinks not outs somehow magically boost your averages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwise View Post
    Sorry I have to laugh whenever I see an adult who thinks not outs somehow magically boost your averages.
    But they do?

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    The only one in that list that deserves a 50+ batting average is Gautam Gambhir. Others are glorified flat-track bullies.

    Edit: Except Hussey.

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    Gambhir's 55+ batting average - Misleading , yet to play in Eng,Sa,Aus conditions , I expect him to be avg around 50

    Yousuf's 53+ batting average - Had a period of excellence from 04-06, probably between 47 - 50 guy

    Jayawardene's 52+ batting average - One big score for series , mostly feasted against bangladesh and in home , but has the ability to go real big. not 50 avg batter but a real good one from 45 - 50 more like yousuf

    Sehwags 53+ batting average - Hard to comprehend his situation, i'd say 53 is fine measure

    Hussey's 50+ average in both forms - Sounds about right

    Younis Khan's 50+ average - same as jaya and yousuf around 45 mark rather than 50


    Steyn's bowling stats - Average seems ok , but SR is mind blowing not sure he is the greatest of attacking quicks; Still proving himself good for 3 years, couple more years like that means he deserved that

    Asif's bowling stats - Sounds about right, shoulda been a bit lower if it isn't all those butter fingers in the team

    Broa'ds bowling stats - He shoulda been a better bowler by now, but he bowls rubbish more often than not, but his odi stats are good.

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    Brian lara's average of 52.89 is far less than it should have been mainly because-

    1-Less number of not outs(only 6)
    2-He faced the worlds best attack of all the other top 7 teams and played only 4 tests versus zim and ban combined.
    3-Unluckiest in terms of umpiring decisions i.e (number of times he was given out when he was not out - number of times he was given not out when he was out)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Opener View Post
    But they do?
    Nah, he's right. Getting out causes your average to fall. Scoring runs causes it to rise.

    Not getting out doesn't do anything to your average.
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetwise View Post
    Sorry I have to laugh whenever I see an adult who thinks not outs somehow magically boost your averages.
    They do boost your averages. In ODi's Hussey's batting average is 54.52, his average per innings is 35.84. Then his Test not outs raise his average from 46.01 to 53.04.

    Edit: Just seen Uppercut's post, fair point. Proven wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaideep View Post
    Brian lara's average of 52.89 is far less than it should have been mainly because-

    1-Less number of not outs(only 6)
    2-He faced the worlds best attack of all the other top 7 teams and played only 4 tests versus zim and ban combined.
    3-Unluckiest in terms of umpiring decisions i.e (number of times he was given out when he was not out - number of times he was given not out when he was out)
    Should agree with that. Then again lara is at his best generally against great bowling and good against normal bowling. Player of lara's ability averaging same as jaya,MoYO etc is a travesty. But he had a better avg than richards,gavskar et al. So from that POV it seems fair enough.

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