Saj and Plunkett

Xuhaib · 10-02-2010, 11:28 PM

Will they have amount to something at the highest level?

Richard · 11-02-2010, 02:45 AM

Obviously Plunkett is a few years younger than Mahmood so the chance for him is a little less miniscule... but it's one of the less likely prospects around. Mahmood, well, we keep on thinking "surely that's the last we'll see of him" and it keeps on not happening, so we just have to hope that each time is the last.

Nonetheless I hope Plunkett plays a few more ODIs somewhere down the line, as his most recent 8 games have actually returned an average which looks very impressive.

morgieb · 11-02-2010, 03:01 AM

Mahmood, no. Plunkett, he seemed to have turned a corner, but I'm not 100% sold yet.

Dano.85 · 11-02-2010, 03:02 AM

I think plunkett will play alot more for england but not yet, give him a few more seasons in county cricket, mahmood just does not seem to be able to take the step up, i have seen alot of him on the county circuit, but as soon as he puts the england shirt on he seems to try bowl as fast as he can and then sprays it a bit. In county cricket he bowls a tad slower and seems to hold his line and lenght better, and he looks a much better bowler.

FBU · 11-02-2010, 05:09 AM

Mahmood will become a permanent member of the Lions squad.

A while ago a journalist asked Miller what Mahmood's chances of making the Test team and was told the selectors see him more in the one day role. So we saw Plunkett in the Test squad and Mahmood in the ODIs. When injuries arose among the Test squad it was Mark Davies called up and now Shahzad has overtaken Mahmood for Bangladesh. So doubtful that Mahmood will play any more Tests. He could also find others bypassing him in one day cricket as well.

Plunkett has taken 50 wickets in a season three times while Mahmood has yet to do it once. I can see Plunkett playing in all formats for England. Sidebottom has to get injured first.

Dano.85 · 11-02-2010, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FBU

Mahmood will become a permanent member of the Lions squad.

A while ago a journalist asked Miller what Mahmood's chances of making the Test team and was told the selectors see him more in the one day role. So we saw Plunkett in the Test squad and Mahmood in the ODIs. When injuries arose among the Test squad it was Mark Davies called up and now Shahzad has overtaken Mahmood for Bangladesh. So doubtful that Mahmood will play any more Tests. He could also find others bypassing him in one day cricket as well.

Plunkett has taken 50 wickets in a season three times while Mahmood has yet to do it once. I can see Plunkett playing in all formats for England. Sidebottom has to get injured first.

Totally agree, plunkett was picked way to early the first time, he has gone back to county cricket and worked his game out. Mahmood i think may have missed the boat a shame cause i like him.

NasserFan207 · 11-02-2010, 06:29 AM

Mahmood was always a horrible one day player. He showed some promise in tests, but I think he's probably peaked by now.

Plunkett always struck me as a county quality player, nothing more.

GuyFromLancs · 11-02-2010, 06:30 AM

Saj is a giant. I once saw him in Asda in Bolton. He also has genuine pace on his side and his natural length is fully than someone of his height.

But as someone mentioned, tick tock tick tock

Goughy · 11-02-2010, 08:51 AM

Plunkett seems to have improved (though I have not seen him bowl since he last played for England). If he continues with this and gets a couple of FC centuries under his belt then I can see him playing a role in the near future.

Saj. Less said the better

Richard · 11-02-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dano.85

I think plunkett will play alot more for england but not yet, give him a few more seasons in county cricket, mahmood just does not seem to be able to take the step up, i have seen alot of him on the county circuit, but as soon as he puts the england shirt on he seems to try bowl as fast as he can and then sprays it a bit. In county cricket he bowls a tad slower and seems to hold his line and lenght better, and he looks a much better bowler.

Not sure about that as I've never seen him at domestic level but Mahmood has always been a pretty dreadful county bowler. It's why he should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever have been picked for Tests.

Dano.85 · 11-02-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Not sure about that as I've never seen him at domestic level but Mahmood has always been a pretty dreadful county bowler. It's why he should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever have been picked for Tests.

I will tell you why he was picked at test and odi's pace, the england selectors want a fast 90 mph bowler and apart from saj there is not much more. I have seen him twice in 09 and thought he had improved. Thats my personal opinion

bryce · 11-02-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish_Opener

Mahmood was always a horrible one day player. He showed some promise in tests, but I think he's probably peaked by now.

Yeah agree, which is why I was so suprised that he was included in the most decent ODI squad, seemed like absolute madness.
I think Plunkett can be deadly in swinging conditions, but is probably always going to serve up more than a few half volleys

Richard · 11-02-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dano.85

I will tell you why he was picked at test and odi's pace, the england selectors want a fast 90 mph bowler and apart from saj there is not much more.

Yup, and picking a bowler because of his pace rather than because of his skill is as most people on CW could tell you a very stupid idea. It's truly worrying that England selectors are incapable of deciphering that.

Dano.85 · 11-02-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Yup, and picking a bowler because of his pace rather than because of his skill is as most people on CW could tell you a very stupid idea. It's truly worrying that England selectors are incapable of deciphering that.

And if you go back and read my first post you will see i said he cant make the step up, i have been playing and watcing cricket for 15 years (i am only 24) and ever since i can remeber the england selectors have been obsesed with pace. That will never change and the next bowler who comes along and can bowl with pace will be short tracked into the squad.

Richard · 11-02-2010, 03:33 PM

It's unlikely to change, but one can always hope. You're the same age as me and have been watching cricket for not all that much less time, but England (and other) selectors have made any number of crass errors, far from just based on the pace fixation.

As for Mahmood, as I say I don't believe his flaws are temperamental, I merely believe he's a hopeless bowler who isn't good enough for county cricket never mind international.

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Dano.85 School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: East garston Posts: 84	I think plunkett will play alot more for england but not yet, give him a few more seasons in county cricket, mahmood just does not seem to be able to take the step up, i have seen alot of him on the county circuit, but as soon as he puts the england shirt on he seems to try bowl as fast as he can and then sprays it a bit. In county cricket he bowls a tad slower and seems to hold his line and lenght better, and he looks a much better bowler.

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FBU State Vice-Captain Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,057	Mahmood will become a permanent member of the Lions squad. A while ago a journalist asked Miller what Mahmood's chances of making the Test team and was told the selectors see him more in the one day role. So we saw Plunkett in the Test squad and Mahmood in the ODIs. When injuries arose among the Test squad it was Mark Davies called up and now Shahzad has overtaken Mahmood for Bangladesh. So doubtful that Mahmood will play any more Tests. He could also find others bypassing him in one day cricket as well. Plunkett has taken 50 wickets in a season three times while Mahmood has yet to do it once. I can see Plunkett playing in all formats for England. Sidebottom has to get injured first.

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NasserFan207 International Regular Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Essex Posts: 3,576	Mahmood was always a horrible one day player. He showed some promise in tests, but I think he's probably peaked by now. Plunkett always struck me as a county quality player, nothing more.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	It's unlikely to change, but one can always hope. You're the same age as me and have been watching cricket for not all that much less time, but England (and other) selectors have made any number of crass errors, far from just based on the pace fixation. As for Mahmood, as I say I don't believe his flaws are temperamental, I merely believe he's a hopeless bowler who isn't good enough for county cricket never mind international.

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