Uhh, try South Africa last year? His clean hitting in that series pretty much matched anything that I've ever seen Flintoff do. They're pretty much on par in my books. Johnson would be batting higher up the order if he played for another country.
And that's a pretty poor response for a perfectly relevant statement.
You've obviously not seen much that Flintoff did then. Yes, Johnson batted well, very bloody well in fact. And yeah his average in that series is awesome etc, but I honestly don't think you can put it on a par with something like Flintoff's batting in India 06. He never even tonned up but was masterful, led from the front, hit a 41 and four 50s from five innings.
Is it? You basically said that Flintoff not getting Johnson out at Lord's last summer proves that Johnson is a better batsman. Say what?
Or his batting in the 2005 Ashes, played a couple of vital knocks in that series and was then England's catalyst with the ball. Doubt Johnson will ever have a series as brilliant as Flintoff's Ashes. WAG.
Its worthless
He had Johnson plumb from a no-ball too
It can be argued. Flintoff avg 24 in odi and lee 23. Lee is better with new ball probably the best in recent years. But flintoff is better in death overs probably malinga is the only one who is better than flintoff during death overs. Besides flintoff is england's stock bowler and strike bowlers in odis depends on jimmy's mood.While brett lee has the license to attack. Lee also benefited from mcgrath on the otherside who chokes out the runs. Saying it cannot be argued and lee is clearly better meant you didn't follow flintoff odi career enough to rate him as a bowler.
Flintoff can bowl more economically than Lee has ever been able to dream of and is thus clearly a fair bit better in ODIs. In Tests the gap is even bigger, Lee has basically had 2 good periods of about 8 Tests' length each. Flintoff had 3 whole years of being a good Test bowler in which he played about 30 Tests. There is no viable measure under which Lee can be considered anywhere near as good a Test bowler as Flintoff.
You don't know anything of the sort, you merely project your prejudice onto others. I'm one of the least nationally\regionally biased posters around, and this is recognised in the fact that I've been accused of being biased towards and against just about every national side around. You are of course in the eyes of just about everyone on this board who is familiar with your posting hopelessly biased towards Australians.
A one-eyed Australian might but anyone concerned with strengthening their team would almost certainly not.
I don't think any okay batsman can hit warne at his very best out of the park while others crumbling apart. And can play him sensibly to make a century curbing his natural instincts. To compare johnson's batting with flintoff right now is laughable. If he can repeat his performance against SA in couple more series then he may be near flintoff's level.
It's clearly worthless. Like every one else pointed out kallis couldn't get onions out.
I actually rated his lower order batting higher than his bowling.
I'd take flintoff in odis even as a pure bowler. As i mentioned before flintoff never get hits out of the park and is damn good death bowler and won't lose matches cause of his bowling.
Not just ashes 05, since 2004 flintoff is genuinely good bowler with occasional spells of greatness. Lee on the other hand after his super human start to the career fall off the radar and became a really good prospect in 2007/08 season. He is good in patches but as an attacking bowler he should be good in most of the series he played in. [I am talking about test performances only]