Englands best African born cricketer

[BoyBrumby]

Ah what was that warwikshire dudes name? Forgot but he looks promising, mind you, never gives his wicket away.

Trott?

 

[TT Boy]

Ah what was that warwikshire dudes name? Forgot but he looks promising, mind you, never gives his wicket away.

Did you watch the series in South Africa?

 

[bryce]

Dalrymple by a mile

 

[Goughy]

Is it presumptuous to say my 5 year old son will be? Too much pressure? Though I have built his action so he looks like a left-arm Jeff Thomson

 

[Richard]

I guess in 30 years' time we can dig this thread to see if he is.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

African born? =/ Humour/intelligence fail.

Between Pietersen and Greig for me. I'd probably go for Pietersen though. Been top class for England, and he's still got a good few years left in him. Expecting him to finish his career as one of England's greats.

It's obviously Pietersen and you know it.

 

[BoyBrumby]

It's obviously Pietersen and you know it.

He has a strong case, but so does Tahnny. Any bloke who can average over 40 with the bat (in an era generally reckoned to be worse for batting than the current one), a bit over 30 with the ball and bowl medium-fast and off-spin is always going to be a useful player.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

He has a strong case, but so does Tahnny. Any bloke who can average over 40 with the bat (in an era generally reckoned to be worse for batting than the current one), a bit over 30 with the ball and bowl medium-fast and off-spin is always going to be a useful player.

Useful player, but not alltime great material which Pietersen potentially is.

 

[fredfertang]

Useful player, but not alltime great material which Pietersen potentially is.

Without Tony Greig what might have become of England in 1974/75 doesn't bear thinking about - for me KP still has a bit to do to get past him - I'd put KP just ahead of Alan Lamb and level with Robin Smith

 

[BoyBrumby]

An African-born XI?

1) Strauss*
2) CL Smith
3) RA Smith
4) Pietersen
5) Lamb
6) D'Oliveria
7) AW Greig
8) Prior+
9) Pringle
10) Edmonds
11) Radford

Bowling's a bit light, but bats a long way down.

 

[Goughy]

Cant ignore Hick, surely?

What he had done domestically is worth a slot IMO

 

[BoyBrumby]

Cant ignore Hick, surely?

What he had done domestically is worth a slot IMO

Suppose you could ditch Chris Smith and move his brother up to open, which I think he did once or twice.

 

[grecian]

IGNORE: born in india I see.

 

[Richard]

An African-born XI?

1) Strauss*
2) CL Smith
3) RA Smith
4) Pietersen
5) Lamb
6) D'Oliveria
7) AW Greig
8) Prior+
9) Pringle
10) Edmonds
11) Radford

Bowling's a bit light, but bats a long way down.

Cant ignore Hick, surely?

What he had done domestically is worth a slot IMO

Of that lot, I wonder how many were genuinly African-raised and how many were Brits who happened to be born in Africa.

Off the top of my head there's the Smiths, Lamb, D'Oliveira, Greig, Pietersen, Radford and Hick; then Strauss, Prior, Pringle and Edmunds. Not sure about the lattermost though.

 

[Burgey]

Without Tony Greig what might have become of England in 1974/75 doesn't bear thinking about - for me KP still has a bit to do to get past him - I'd put KP just ahead of Alan Lamb and level with Robin Smith

This

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Without Tony Greig what might have become of England in 1974/75 doesn't bear thinking about - for me KP still has a bit to do to get past him - I'd put KP just ahead of Alan Lamb and level with Robin Smith

Out of the current lot, only Ponting, Tendulkar, Dravid and Kallis are better then Pietersen. I'd say his a bit better then Robin Smith and Alan Lamb.

 

[fredfertang]

Out of the current lot, only Ponting, Tendulkar, Dravid and Kallis are better then Pietersen.

Not sure about that - would agree if you'd said "have been" rather than "are"

I'd say his a bit better then Robin Smith and Alan Lamb

I have to accept that I do have a very effective pair of rose tinted spectacles but Smith was a special player at international level for rather longer than KP has been so far

............ but I certainly hope and expect that if the question is asked in five years time I'd answer KP without hesitation

 

[The_roc]

Out of the current lot, only Ponting, Tendulkar, Dravid and Kallis are better then Pietersen. I'd say his a bit better then Robin Smith and Alan Lamb.

What yardstick are you using to measure this. Obviously not the current ICC rankings?

 

[wfdu_ben91]

What yardstick are you using to measure this. Obviously not the current ICC rankings?

Because no other batsman dominated Warne and McGrath like Pietersen did. He looks at ease at the crease and looks like the sort've batsman that would be considered an alltime great batsman.

 

[The_roc]

Because no other batsman dominated Warne and McGrath like Pietersen did. He looks at ease at the crease and looks like the sort've batsman that would be considered an alltime great batsman.

Pietersen was world ranked No 1 for a short time in 2005 and has been drifting down the ratings ever since. That doesn't stand comparison with the likes of Ponting and Kallis.

If you're rating him on on the basis of a 5 match series in 2005 then you need to cast your net a bit wider.