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    "You Can't Teach Judgment"

    There is a great quote from Wilf Rhodes in "No Coward Soul"

    "You can't teach pluck, judgment nor concentration" which Appleyard slightly disagrees with as he thinks concentration can be improved.

    It is something I have often thought having seen many talented cricketers who fail to convert talent and ability into success and I think it is an important thing to remember when assessing young cricketers.

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    Hmmm... interesting. Because you can learn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    Hmmm... interesting. Because you can learn it.
    You'll never master it by learning it, it has to come and click.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfinger View Post
    You'll never master it by learning it, it has to come and click.
    I don't mean learn it deliberately, necessarily.


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    Well, I would put down Dhoni as a great counter example actually. Compare him to when he first came on. He's a smart guy, realiized very quickly that his Made in Jharkaland temperment and shots won't fly at this level, and if you look at his progressive strike rate and shot selection, it's been an unbelievable change over his career. I think in many cases, pride gets in the way, and for some, if they've been doing it for a decade, it's much harder to change.

    Look at his cumulative S/R in both ODIs and Tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Well, I would put down Dhoni as a great counter example actually. Compare him to when he first came on. He's a smart guy, realiized very quickly that his Made in Jharkaland temperment and shots won't fly at this level, and if you look at his progressive strike rate and shot selection, it's been an unbelievable change over his career. I think in many cases, pride gets in the way, and for some, if they've been doing it for a decade, it's much harder to change.

    Look at his cumulative S/R in both ODIs and Tests.
    Good work there, actually took him 3/4 years untill it finally got to him in 07/8

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    Can definitely teach judgement, it's a skill like any other.
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    I don't think it's unlearnable. But what I think is strange is when people act like the mental side of the game is the easiest to teach. "Ah, well he's got all the talent, and his technique's great, he just needs to sort out the mental side of his game and he'll be a top-class player". Just? That's the hardest part!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    I don't think it's unlearnable. But what I think is strange is when people act like the mental side of the game is the easiest to teach. "Ah, well he's got all the talent, and his technique's great, he just needs to sort out the mental side of his game and he'll be a top-class player". Just? That's the hardest part!
    Not the hardest, just the most likely to be missing at the top level. Those lacking in talent don't even make it to first class cricket and you certainly can't learn talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    I don't think it's unlearnable. But what I think is strange is when people act like the mental side of the game is the easiest to teach. "Ah, well he's got all the talent, and his technique's great, he just needs to sort out the mental side of his game and he'll be a top-class player". Just? That's the hardest part!
    What I think is strange is how physical assets are regarded as talents and mental assets aren't. For me mental and physical talents are both talents - and a talent to me suggests something that can be honed (though there's a ceiling to almost anything) with work.

    Whereas an asset (height, speed of arm and not a great deal else in cricketing context) is something that cannot be improved no matter what.

    Things like eyesight and concentration are talents (the former a physical one, the latter a mental) which can be honed, but if you haven't got them to a great degree there's nothing as can be done.
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    The Dhoni example is so good. Can't quite remember a cricketer making such a drastic change in recent times than him.
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    I coach a junior team and I try to impress upon them the importance of practicing not playing a shot but it isnt something that comes naturally to most. Patience and shot selection can be taught to a student who is willing to learn but courage and eye hand co-ordination cant be taught no matter how hard you try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dikinee View Post
    I coach a junior team and I try to impress upon them the importance of practicing not playing a shot but it isnt something that comes naturally to most. Patience and shot selection can be taught to a student who is willing to learn but courage and eye hand co-ordination cant be taught no matter how hard you try.
    Largely agree but dispute the courage bit, tbh. Surely if that were the case, you'd have far fewer people to choose from to get in the way of hard flying objects a la hockey goalies?

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    It all comes with maturity and experience. Hence why most players peak around the age of 27-33.

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