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    CW Player Ratings

    I'd like to propose a new idea for CW -- an ongoing player rating project.

    The way I envision it is that after every completed test series of the year, we all post ratings out of 10 for all the players in that series. Lots of news sites do things like this, but usually it's only one commentator doing it -- if loads of people provide their own ratings the average will be pretty close to a consensus figure, eliminating bias perhaps. Could also inspire interesting debate.

    If we continue that for every series through the year, we will be able to form a meaningful impression of who the best players in the world are this year.

    Doing it for every single match seems like too much work, so I want to do it for each series as it's completed. The overall impact on the series anyway provides a better idea of consistency and general value.

    Obviously, only relevant for Tests...

    Anyone interested? It would be free for anyone to post, no commitment to post every series -- only when you're interested.

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    I'd definately be interested and if we get enough people this could work very well. I would have to limit myself to certain series, though.

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    Anyway, to get the ball rolling, South Africa v England series ended today, and Australia v Pakistan will end tomorrow, so let's see if if anyone's interested...

    Here are the players from the completed South Africa v England series (hope I haven't missed anyone). Copy and paste in your ratings.

    South Africa

    HM Amla
    MV Boucher
    AB de Villiers
    F de Wet
    JP Duminy
    PL Harris
    JH Kallis
    R McLaren
    M Morkel
    M Ntini
    WD Parnell
    AG Prince
    GC Smith
    DW Steyn

    England

    JM Anderson
    IR Bell
    SCJ Broad
    PD Collingwood
    AN Cook
    G Onions
    KP Pietersen
    MJ Prior
    RJ Sidebottom
    AJ Strauss
    GP Swann
    IJL Trott

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    Depending on the number of people that volunteer, doing it for every match isn't too far fetched. We should aim for that IMO, and switch to series if needed.
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    South Africa

    HM Amla 6
    MV Boucher 8
    AB de Villiers 5
    F de Wet 5
    JP Duminy 4
    PL Harris 4
    JH Kallis 8
    R McLaren 4
    M Morkel 7
    M Ntini 2
    WD Parnell 4
    AG Prince 3
    GC Smith 8
    DW Steyn 7

    England

    JM Anderson 5
    IR Bell 6
    SCJ Broad 5
    PD Collingwood 7
    AN Cook 6
    G Onions 5
    KP Pietersen 4
    MJ Prior 4
    RJ Sidebottom 3
    AJ Strauss 5
    GP Swann 7
    IJL Trott 4
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    South Africa

    HM Amla 6
    MV Boucher 7
    AB de Villiers 5
    F de Wet 6
    JP Duminy 5
    PL Harris 6
    JH Kallis 9
    R McLaren 5
    M Morkel 8
    M Ntini 3
    WD Parnell 4
    AG Prince 3
    GC Smith 8 (.5 is that's allowed.)
    DW Steyn 7

    England

    JM Anderson 6
    IR Bell 7
    SCJ Broad 6
    PD Collingwood 8
    AN Cook 7
    G Onions 5
    KP Pietersen 3
    MJ Prior 4
    RJ Sidebottom 3
    AJ Strauss 6
    GP Swann 8
    IJL Trott 5
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    SA

    HM Amla 6
    MV Boucher 8.5
    AB De Villiers 5.5
    F de Wet 6
    JP Duminy 4
    PL Harris 5
    JH Kallis 8
    R McLaren 6
    M Morkel 8.5
    M Ntini 3
    WD Parnell 5
    AG Prince 3
    GC Smith 8
    DW Steyn 8


    England

    JM Anderson 6
    IR Bell 7
    SCJ Broad 5.5
    PD Collingwood 7.5
    AN Cook 6
    G Onions 6
    KP Pietersen 4
    MJ Prior 5
    RJ Sidebottom 4.5
    AJ Strauss 4
    GP Swann 8
    IJL Trott 4
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    South Africa

    HM Amla - 6/10
    MV Boucher - 8/10 [ One of his best series ]
    AB de Villiers - 6/10
    F de Wet - 4/10 [ Fitness plays a major role in the performance ]
    JP Duminy - 3/10 [ We usually rate him for his batting and not the bowling ]
    PL Harris - 4/10 [ Couldnt bowl well when Duminy was turning the ball and taking wickets ]
    JH Kallis - 8/10
    R McLaren - 5/10
    M Morkel - 7/10
    M Ntini - 2/10
    WD Parnell - 6/10
    AG Prince - 3/10
    GC Smith - 8/10
    DW Steyn - 7/10

    England

    JM Anderson - 6/10
    IR Bell - 7/10
    SCJ Broad - 6/10
    PD Collingwood - 8/10 [ Main reason why South Africa couldnt win the series ]
    AN Cook - 7/10
    G Onions - 6/10
    KP Pietersen - 4/10 [ KP certainly wanna forget this series ]
    MJ Prior - 5/10
    RJ Sidebottom - 4/10
    AJ Strauss - 4/10
    GP Swann - 8/10 [ A fantastic aggressive all-rounder in the making ]
    IJL Trott - 3/10
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    A bit of a luke-warm reaction to this, but let's keep it going and see if it catches on...

    Australia v Pakistan ended today, so I'll put up those players for rating as well. Hope I've got this right -- copy and stick in your ratings:

    Australia

    DE Bollinger
    MJ Clarke
    BJ Haddin
    NM Hauritz
    PJ Hughes
    MEK Hussey
    MG Johnson
    SM Katich
    MJ North
    RT Ponting
    PM Siddle
    SR Watson

    Pakistan

    Abdur Rauf
    Danish Kaneria
    Faisal Iqbal
    Imran Farhat
    Kamran Akmal
    Khurram Manzoor
    Misbah-ul-Haq
    Mohammad Aamer
    Mohammad Asif
    Mohammad Sami
    Mohammad Yousuf
    Saeed Ajmal
    Salman Butt
    Sarfraz Ahmed
    Shoaib Malik
    Umar Akmal
    Umar Gul

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    Australia

    DE Bollinger 8
    MJ Clarke 6
    BJ Haddin 5.5
    NM Hauritz 8.5
    PJ Hughes 2.5
    MEK Hussey 7
    MG Johnson 7
    SM Katich 7
    MJ North 2
    RT Ponting 6.5
    PM Siddle 6.5 (bowled well without luck, and huge innings at the SCG)
    SR Watson 9

    Pakistan

    Abdur Rauf 1 (terrible)
    Danish Kaneria 4.5
    Faisal Iqbal 3.5
    Imran Farhat 4
    Kamran Akmal 2
    Khurram Manzoor 5
    Misbah-ul-Haq 3.5
    Mohammad Aamer 5.5
    Mohammad Asif 7.5
    Mohammad Sami 4
    Mohammad Yousuf 5
    Saeed Ajmal 3
    Salman Butt 6.5
    Sarfraz Ahmed 2.5
    Shoaib Malik 5
    Umar Akmal 5
    Umar Gul 4.5
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    South Africa

    HM Amla 7/10
    MV Boucher 8.5/10
    AB de Villiers 6.5/10
    F de Wet 5.5/10
    JP Duminy 5/10
    PL Harris 6/10
    JH Kallis 8/10
    R McLaren 5/10
    M Morkel 8.5/10
    M Ntini 4/10
    WD Parnell 6/10
    AG Prince 4/10
    GC Smith 9/10
    DW Steyn 8.5/10

    England

    JM Anderson 6/10
    IR Bell 8/10
    SCJ Broad 6/10
    PD Collingwood 8.5/10
    AN Cook 7.5/10
    G Onions 6/10
    KP Pietersen 4/10
    MJ Prior 6/10
    RJ Sidebottom 5/10
    AJ Strauss 5/10
    GP Swann 9/10
    IJL Trott 5/10

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    DE Bollinger 7.5
    MJ Clarke 6
    BJ Haddin 6
    NM Hauritz 9
    PJ Hughes 2.5
    MEK Hussey 6.5
    MG Johnson 7
    SM Katich 6
    MJ North 1
    RT Ponting 7.5
    PM Siddle 5.5
    SR Watson 9.5

    Pakistan

    Abdur Rauf 1
    Danish Kaneria 5
    Faisal Iqbal 3
    Imran Farhat 4
    Kamran Akmal 1.5
    Khurram Manzoor 6
    Misbah-ul-Haq 2
    Mohammad Aamer 6
    Mohammad Asif 8.5
    Mohammad Sami 5.5
    Mohammad Yousuf 5
    Saeed Ajmal 3
    Salman Butt 7.5
    Sarfraz Ahmed 3
    Shoaib Malik 5
    Umar Akmal 6
    Umar Gul 5.5

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    Australia

    DE Bollinger 8/10
    MJ Clarke 7/10
    BJ Haddin 7/10
    NM Hauritz 8/10
    PJ Hughes 5/10
    MEK Hussey 8/10
    MG Johnson 7/10
    SM Katich 8/10
    MJ North 3/10
    RT Ponting 7/10
    PM Siddle 6.5/10
    SR Watson 9/10

    Pakistan

    Abdur Rauf 1/10
    Danish Kaneria 6/10
    Faisal Iqbal 4/10
    Imran Farhat 5/10
    Kamran Akmal 3/10
    Khurram Manzoor 6/10
    Misbah-ul-Haq 5/10
    Mohammad Aamer 7/10
    Mohammad Asif 8/10
    Mohammad Sami 6.5/10
    Mohammad Yousuf 4/10
    Saeed Ajmal 3/10
    Salman Butt 6.5/10
    Sarfraz Ahmed 6/10
    Shoaib Malik 6/10
    Umar Akmal 6.5/10
    Umar Gul 6/10

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    Are we rating on absolute performance or what could be expected?

    using mostly the former...

    South Africa

    HM Amla - 7
    MV Boucher - 8.5
    AB de Villiers - 6
    F de Wet - 6.5
    JP Duminy - 3.5
    PL Harris - 4.5
    JH Kallis - 7
    R McLaren - 5.5
    M Morkel - 8.5
    M Ntini - 3
    WD Parnell - 5.5
    AG Prince - 3.5
    GC Smith - 8
    DW Steyn - 8

    England

    JM Anderson - 6.5
    IR Bell - 7.5
    SCJ Broad - 6
    PD Collingwood - 8
    AN Cook - 7.5
    G Onions - 6
    KP Pietersen - 5
    MJ Prior - 5.5
    RJ Sidebottom - 4.5
    AJ Strauss - 4.5
    GP Swann - 7.5
    IJL Trott - 5

    ---

    Australia

    DE Bollinger - 8
    MJ Clarke - 7.5
    BJ Haddin - 5.5
    NM Hauritz - 8
    PJ Hughes - 4.5
    MEK Hussey - 9
    MG Johnson - 8
    SM Katich - 8.5
    MJ North - 3
    RT Ponting - 7.5
    PM Siddle -7
    SR Watson - 9

    Pakistan

    Abdur Rauf - 1.5
    Danish Kaneria - 5
    Faisal Iqbal - 4
    Imran Farhat - 3.5
    Kamran Akmal - 1.5
    Khurram Manzoor - 6
    Misbah-ul-Haq - 5.5
    Mohammad Aamer - 4.5
    Mohammad Asif - 8
    Mohammad Sami - 6
    Mohammad Yousuf - 4.5
    Saeed Ajmal - 2.5
    Salman Butt - 7.5
    Sarfraz Ahmed - 3.5
    Shoaib Malik - 6
    Umar Akmal - 6.5
    Umar Gul - 3.5
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    It's nice to see some ratings posted -- thanks and keep them coming please.

    I'm seeing a pattern, kinda expected, where the best and the worst are rated as such by everyone. I didn't see any of the Australia/Pakistan series, but clearly Abdur Rauf was truly horrendous and Watson must have been close to perfect (ratings so far of 1, 1, 1, 1.5 and 9, 9.5, 9, 9 respectively).

    Mostly, ratings fall in a range of 2.5 points -- lowest of 5, highest of 7.5, for example; or 4.5 to 7). Only two players fall outside that range so far:

    There's a split opinion on Misbah-ul-Haq -- 3.5, 2, 5, 5.5 -- and one anomalous rating of Sarfraz Ahmed that falls outside the range -- 2.5, 3, 6, 3.5.

    I'd be interested to know what the pros and cons on those two were, why the opinion is split like that.

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