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Thread: When 50= Greatness

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    When 50= Greatness

    Listening to the ABC radio and they were talking about how many players now average above 50, and how right through history 50 meant great.

    In the 70s there were only four who averaged 50+ now there must be close to a dozen. They also said that Johnson will be the bowler who has taken the most wickets this year, will have the worst average of any bowler to achieve this.
    You know it makes sense.

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    Its a combination of a lot of things. Sure pitches play a role and certainly bats play a role.

    Id add that the last decade we are seeing players that developed their technique as youngsters in helmets. Previously we had players wear helmets that had techniques and mentality based on learning the game in a cap. It makes a big difference.

    I would also add that players see more scoring opportunities that previously without a large increase in risk. Does that make them better? I dont know? Can they only do this because of the pitches and bats? I dont know. But there has certainly been a change in what is believed to be possible and prudent at the crease. I dont think we are poorer for it.

    Of all the factors the more positive mentality is the biggest difference.
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    I don't know about other countries but in case of India we have just been lucky to have better batsman in Dravid, Tendulkar and Sehwag and IMO these 3 would average in 50s in any era.

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    Sehwag barely does so in this era.
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    Batsman who average 50+ after batting 50 innings or more:

    Hobbs 1908-1930
    Sutcliffe 1924-1935
    Hammond 1927-1947
    Bradman 1928-1948
    Nourse 1935-1951
    Hutton 1937-1955
    Compton 1937-1957
    Walcott 1948-1960
    Weekes 1948-1958
    Sobers 1954-1974
    Barrington 1955-1968
    Chappell 1970-1984
    Gavaskar 1971-1987
    Richards 1974-1991
    Miandad 1976-1993
    Border 1978-1994
    Waugh 1985-2004
    Tendulkar 1989-2009
    Lara 1990-2006
    Flower 1992-2002
    Hayden 1994-2009
    Ponting 1995-
    Kallis 1995-
    Dravid 1996-
    Jayawardene 1997-
    MoYo- 1998-
    Younis 2000-
    Sangakkara 2000-
    Samaraweera 2000-
    Sehwag 2001-
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    What's KP averaging, 49.8 or something?

    He'll be on that list sooner or later, seems to fall in and out of it
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    I imagine Smith and Clarke are also very close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    I imagine Smith and Clarke are also very close?
    Yeah just under 50...

    As to the question... What Goughy said.. the pitch a lot more flatter and bats have improved along with the positive mentality of batsman.
    Last edited by R_D; 28-12-2009 at 06:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_D View Post
    Yeah just under 50...

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Sehwag barely does so in this era.
    I know but I think Archie is counting them as well.

    We still have to see how he holds up when he is older and reflexes aren't as good. If he continues this consistency then we have to count him as one of the greatest batsmen from India. I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz View Post
    I know but I think Archie is counting them as well.

    We still have to see how he holds up when he is older and reflexes aren't as good. If he continues this consistency then we have to count him as one of the greatest batsmen from India. I would.
    I know apart from STR his is the one us Aussies most want to see out, he can change a match very quickly.

    Although I am drawn between my Country and watching him smash it to all parts, which is great entertainment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz View Post
    I don't know about other countries but in case of India we have just been lucky to have better batsman in Dravid, Tendulkar and Sehwag and IMO these 3 would average in 50s in any era.
    Yes to Tendulkar, most probably to Dravid and definitely not to Sehwag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    Yes to Tendulkar, most probably to Dravid and definitely not to Sehwag.
    You could be right about Sehwag because right now he is at the peak of his career but If he touches 10K with 50+ average at the end of his career, I would consider him one of the greatest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    Yes to Tendulkar, most probably to Dravid and definitely not to Sehwag.
    Impossible to know IMO. Sehwag bats how he does because it's so successful; his job isn't to bat in such a way as to succeed in every era; just this one. If it wasn't as successful he'd have made changes to it but there's no need.
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