Harris vs. Hauritz vs. Swann - Page 13

Ikki · 18-01-2010, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

Swann just got MOTS in an away series to Saffa in case it passed you by

Hauritz got runner up. If Swann had Watson playing he wouldn't have gotten close.

Haurie...sub 30 average, sub 60 SR. Lovin' it!

DaRick · 18-01-2010, 02:50 AM

[Richard]Well, AFAIC, Hauritz is utterly incapable of bowling like a Test-class spinner. His Test career thus far has ind33d been wrought with the fickleness of utter luck, eliciting less than satisfactory strokes from players who are five yards and a bit short of Test-class. That ind33d suits the intricacies of the situations in which Hauritz is present, because he himself is a spinner of real, utter horror. It will gladden me to see his average soar like a helium balloon after these outings.[/Richard]

Both Swann and Hauritz (and Duminy!) have eclipsed Harris lately. Swann is probably still a bit ahead, but there's not much wrong with Hauritz right now, except he could do with a little more of that turn which collected Faisal Iqbal's stumps. Swann is probably more aggressive and more convincing on turners, even though I still don't think a flat deck gets in the way of Hauritz all that much.

NZTailender · 18-01-2010, 03:10 AM

Feels ****ing good to be a fan of Swann and Hauritz right now. So, so good. [/smug]

DaRick · 18-01-2010, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NZTailender

Feels ****ing good to be a fan of Swann and Hauritz right now. So, so good. [/smug]

I thought you were a big fan of Paul Harris (who still is underrated, BTW).

Marcuss · 18-01-2010, 03:24 AM

Yeah, welldone Hauritz on taking wickets against a ridiculously fragile Pakistan batting line ups at home.

GIMH · 18-01-2010, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ikki

Hauritz got runner up. If Swann had Watson playing he wouldn't have gotten close.

Haurie...sub 30 average, sub 60 SR. Lovin' it!

If my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle.

Hauritz has done well and fair play to him but if you really want to use stats to validate him being better than Swann you're in dreamland. West Indies/Pakistan at home is not really comparable to South Africa away hey?

Not to worry though, Swann has Bangas away then Bangas to home and Pakistan at home coming up so we'll see how he goes there.

Streetwise · 18-01-2010, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

West Indies/Pakistan at home is not really comparable to South Africa away hey?

Funny thing is if you take out Swanns WI matches he only has 43 wickets @ 36

Swann may end up better than Hauritz some may think he already is but as far as cricket goes Hauritz is the better bowler. We all saw what happened to Monty Englands last great spin bowler.

Jono · 18-01-2010, 03:52 AM

How is Monty relevant to Swann at all?

You may as well say you all saw what happened to Bryce McGain.

Marcuss · 18-01-2010, 03:55 AM

More importantly how the **** is Hauritz better than Swann?
It's not often you remove a bowlers average when playing on some of the flattest decks around that his overall average increases.

Streetwise · 18-01-2010, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jono

How is Monty relevant to Swann at all?

You may as well say you all saw what happened to Bryce McGain.

Its relevence is you cant judge a player on what he is going to do, so far Hauritz has done as good but more than likely better than Swann. Monty is a classic case where he was judged on what he was going to do and not on what he had done, and we know that all ended in tears.

I dont ever recall there being much hype with McGain, well not in Australia but I suppose it may have been big news in England.

Streetwise · 18-01-2010, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcuss

More importantly how the **** is Hauritz better than Swann?

Better strike rate, economy and bowling average.

GIMH · 18-01-2010, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Streetwise

Funny thing is if you take out Swanns WI matches he only has 43 wickets @ 36

Swann may end up better than Hauritz some may think he already is but as far as cricket goes Hauritz is the better bowler. We all saw what happened to Monty Englands last great spin bowler.

Four of Swann's WI matches were played on 700 plays 500 pitches.

Using stats to compare bowlers is facile at the best of times, but when the samples are so small it's pretty much retarded. If you think hauritz's better stats make him a better bowler then that's up to you but anyine whose watched them both bowl and is neither English nor Australian will tell you that Swann is the better bowler.

Jono · 18-01-2010, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Streetwise

Its relevence is you cant judge a player on what he is going to do, so far Hauritz has done as good but more than likely better than Swann. Monty is a classic case where he was judged on what he was going to do and not on what he had done, and we know that all ended in tears.

I dont ever recall there being much hype with McGain, well not in Australia but I suppose it may have been big news in England.

McGain on this forum and here in Victoria was huge.

But anyway I don't see anyone saying Swann could be better than Hauritz. They're saying he's better now. You can disagree and that's fine. But no one is dropping the 'potential' line.

NZTailender · 18-01-2010, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaRick

I thought you were a big fan of Paul Harris (who still is underrated, BTW).

I am, but the fact he didn't play in the most recent Test means he's been a bit quiet and not approaching Man of the Series status like Swann achieved or that Hauritz nearly did, so it's a bit harder to gloat.

GIMH · 18-01-2010, 04:17 AM

Yeah, why would we drop the potential line, Swann is 30

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DaRick State Vice-Captain Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,157	[Richard]Well, AFAIC, Hauritz is utterly incapable of bowling like a Test-class spinner. His Test career thus far has ind33d been wrought with the fickleness of utter luck, eliciting less than satisfactory strokes from players who are five yards and a bit short of Test-class. That ind33d suits the intricacies of the situations in which Hauritz is present, because he himself is a spinner of real, utter horror. It will gladden me to see his average soar like a helium balloon after these outings.[/Richard] Both Swann and Hauritz (and Duminy!) have eclipsed Harris lately. Swann is probably still a bit ahead, but there's not much wrong with Hauritz right now, except he could do with a little more of that turn which collected Faisal Iqbal's stumps. Swann is probably more aggressive and more convincing on turners, even though I still don't think a flat deck gets in the way of Hauritz all that much.

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