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    Best ODIs "Finisher"

    Mention the name finisher and Bevan comes to mind automatically. But how deserving he is for that tag. For this I tried to get stats of all ODI batsmen in history who stay not out while guiding their teams to victory. Needless to say I am surprised that out of all batsmen who have scored more than 1000 runs chasing and seeing their team win not out, Bevan ranks last in terms of runs/innings, strike rate as well as the indexed average (SR X runs/innings)

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    Player Matches NO Innings Runs SR 100 50 Runs per match Index Avg
    Saeed Anwar (Pak) 16 14 1165 86.48 6 6 83.21 71.96
    SC Ganguly (India) 17 15 1163 87.90 5 8 77.53 68.15
    SR Tendulkar (India) 27 24 1751 92.20 8 9 72.96 67.27
    SP Fleming (NZ) 20 18 1319 85.37 6 8 73.28 62.56
    IVA Richards (WI) 37 20 1170 102.90 3 8 58.50 60.20
    PA de Silva (SL) 27 20 1288 92.52 3 10 64.40 59.58
    Yuvraj Singh (India) 31 18 1023 96.41 1 11 56.83 54.79
    DL Haynes (WI) 20 20 1535 71.19 4 14 76.75 54.64
    Inzamam-ul-Haq (Pak) 52 32 1787 86.91 3 15 55.84 48.53
    MS Dhoni (India) 33 22 1075 96.06 1 8 48.86 46.94
    BC Lara (WI) 32 27 1363 91.04 3 8 50.48 45.96
    A Ranatunga (SL) 33 27 1366 87.78 1 11 50.59 44.41
    JH Kallis (SA) 39 29 1648 74.06 2 17 56.83 42.09
    M Azharuddin (India) 46 30 1419 87.70 1 12 47.30 41.48
    RT Ponting (Aus) 35 28 1341 85.85 4 8 47.89 41.12
    MS Atapattu (SL) 27 20 1114 73.77 2 9 55.70 41.09
    Mohammad Yousuf (Pak) 31 23 1288 71.83 2 10 56.00 40.22
    RB Richardson (WI) 29 24 1154 64.46 2 10 48.08 30.99
    MG Bevan (Aus) 55 25 1020 68.91 1 8 40.80 28.12



    I am surprised to see Anwar and ganguly leading those lists.. and despite popular criticism that tendulkar fails to see his team win he is no.3 with a fantastic runs/innings. Dhoni is in the middle of the pack and i expect him to go further up. but what amazed me was that Bevan's figures are so mediocre despite him having popular acclaim as a great finisher. Hussey is nowhere in that list.
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    I am attaching image of that table

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    A) How about when chasing 250+ scores?

    B) How about those chases when eventually there were not more than 2 overs left?

    These 2 are not perfect but might give a different perspective.
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    Just noticed that Yuvraj is even better than Dhoni in that column posted.


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    How about that most of the other blokes in the list batted further up the order, so if they saw their sides home in successful chases, of course they'd score more runs than Bevan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    How about that most of the other blokes in the list batted further up the order, so if they saw their sides home in successful chases, of course they'd score more runs than Bevan?

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    Reasonably good point but that also reduce their chances to score such runs is it not? because they bat so high up in the order and it is not everyday they can guide their teams home in such a chase not out. So it balances out in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny View Post
    A) How about when chasing 250+ scores?

    B) How about those chases when eventually there were not more than 2 overs left?

    These 2 are not perfect but might give a different perspective.
    Finishing is not exactly limited to those criteria right? I am unable to isolate that data from statsguru. pls be my guest.
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    finishing also includes finishing the first innings well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Finishing is not exactly limited to those criteria right? I am unable to isolate that data from statsguru. pls be my guest.
    No they arent the only criteria. I am just trying to identify those cases where the opposition scored a par to above-par score.
    It might be that in your case the stats are dominated by those cases where the opposition weren't good enough wrt their batting, and the top guys cashed in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    finishing also includes finishing the first innings well.
    That opens up the arena completely. Could u pls suggest a criteria to group such batsmen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny View Post
    No they arent the only criteria. I am just trying to identify those cases where the opposition scored a par to above-par score.
    It might be that in your case the stats are dominated by those cases where the opposition weren't good enough wrt their batting, and the top guys cashed in.
    Sure. That is a possibility indeed. I agree. So then the next way is perhaps to look at guys who bat at no.5 or below.

    Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    bevan does not even figure in that list..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Alex View Post
    Sure. That is a possibility indeed. I agree. So then the next way is perhaps to look at guys who bat at no.5 or below.

    Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    bevan does not even figure in that list..
    Player Mat Inns Runs SR 100 50 R/I Index avg
    SR Tendulkar (India) 35 32 2531 99.92 12 12 79.09 79.03
    SC Ganguly (India) 23 21 1812 89.7 10 8 86.29 77.40
    IVA Richards (WI) 42 24 1683 104.01 6 8 70.13 72.94
    DL Haynes (WI) 26 26 2337 77.97 10 14 89.88 70.08
    PA de Silva (SL) 32 25 1656 92.98 4 14 66.24 61.59
    Yuvraj Singh (Asia/India) 41 27 1542 103.83 3 14 57.11 59.30
    Mohammad Yousuf (Pak) 49 36 2428 82.86 9 15 67.44 55.88
    Inzamam-ul-Haq (Asia/Pak) 70 46 2745 92.64 5 23 59.67 55.28
    JH Kallis (SA) 51 39 2607 81.01 8 20 66.85 54.15
    MS Dhoni (Asia/India) 43 32 1642 104.98 3 11 51.31 53.87
    DM Jones (Aus) 22 20 1293 81.32 2 13 64.65 52.57
    RT Ponting (Aus) 41 33 1874 91.23 8 8 56.79 51.81
    BC Lara (WI) 33 28 1446 90.65 3 9 51.64 46.81
    M Azharuddin (India) 56 39 1943 93.01 3 15 49.82 46.34
    A Symonds (Aus) 63 28 1254 102.7 4 4 44.79 45.99
    A Ranatunga (SL) 39 33 1651 91.67 1 14 50.03 45.86
    MS Atapattu (SL) 35 28 1638 78.18 5 11 58.50 45.74
    MJ Clarke (Aus) 43 29 1438 90.84 3 12 49.59 45.04
    Ijaz Ahmed (Pak) 40 25 1114 100.08 4 4 44.56 44.60
    R Dravid (India) 47 29 1385 91.78 2 13 47.76 43.83
    PD Collingwood (Eng) 38 27 1250 92.45 3 8 46.30 42.80
    Saleem Malik (Pak) 55 31 1445 91.57 1 16 46.61 42.68
    AR Border (Aus) 45 31 1480 87.62 3 10 47.74 41.83
    S Chanderpaul (WI) 40 30 1479 83.55 5 9 49.30 41.19
    Javed Miandad (Pak) 43 31 1503 84.39 3 14 48.48 40.92
    DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 41 26 1112 94.55 4 3 42.77 40.44
    L Klusener (SA) 60 30 1117 107.81 1 8 37.23 40.14
    DR Martyn (Aus) 72 49 2036 89.33 3 16 41.55 37.12
    WJ Cronje (SA) 35 24 1073 81.34 0 10 44.71 36.37
    A Jadeja (India) 38 27 1067 88.99 3 6 39.52 35.17
    Imran Khan (Pak) 49 29 1112 89.74 1 10 38.34 34.41
    Abdul Razzaq (Pak) 68 40 1192 112.24 1 6 29.80 33.45
    RB Richardson (WI) 32 27 1339 66.98 2 13 49.59 33.22
    MG Bevan (Aus) 86 53 2147 80.26 2 15 40.51 32.51
    MEK Hussey (Aus) 50 28 1033 87.69 0 7 36.89 32.35
    MV Boucher (SA) 106 45 1191 116.19 1 7 26.47 30.75
    JN Rhodes (SA) 67 46 1558 90.63 1 9 33.87 30.70
    CL Hooper (WI) 51 32 1087 78.93 3 5 33.97 26.81
    SR Waugh (Aus) 82 50 1555 85.76 2 9 31.10 26.67

    That;s including notouts in won games in first innings as well.. I've limited no. of such innings to above 20 and runs scored to above 1000. arranged in descending order of index avg (which is runs/match X strike rate)
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    Shows how good a finisher was both de Silva and Ranatunga. batting at 4 and 5, and with explosive openers, that gives clear reasons why SL were so dominat in mid to late 1990s in the ODIs, and the very fact why they are struggling today as an ODI team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    Shows how good a finisher was both de Silva and Ranatunga. batting at 4 and 5, and with explosive openers, that gives clear reasons why SL were so dominat in mid to late 1990s in the ODIs, and the very fact why they are struggling today as an ODI team.
    Don't you think Sanga and Jayawardene are better than Ranatunga and Aravinda ?
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    This is what I am getting (added some other filters).

    Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    Ideally we need those cases where when the batsman entered, it wasnt an easy score to chase but statsguru doesnt allow that

    Imo, notouts also might not be the best way of judging this.
    Check these two innings:
    6th ODI: South Africa v Australia at Centurion, Apr 10, 1997 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
    5th ODI: New Zealand v Australia at Napier, Mar 1, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

    (Btw those openers showing up was definitely inflated because very few of those individual scores were 120+, which probably means the target was bit too easy).
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