*Official* Pakistan in Australia

[aussie]

Originally Posted by TT Boy

And the Windies wickets have no pace (maybe Jamaica) so I'm not sure why you would want to bowl back of a length when the ball will just sit up to be spanked. Anyone remember how Johnson fared last time he was in the West Indies? Xavier Marshall made mince meat out of him...

Tait has form there because he pitched it up and took the pitch out of the equation.

The 20/20 World Cup if the wickets play like they have recently should be dominated by spinners and trundlers.

Johnson in West Indies 2008 is no comparison to the bowler he is now. He was in the early stages of his career then. So using his bowling performances then as a guide to how he would bowl their in a few months is way off the mark.

Of the grounds that will be used for the T20 WC, the wickets in Guyana & St.Lucia probably wont have pace but Barbados definately could. But all those grounds are fairly small, so IMO i think spinners will be at a disdavantage since miss hits, can go for 6 pretty easily which would reduce their likely consistent effectiveness in that format in those conditions.

Back-of-lenght is a safe line to bowl. Too full or too short & you could get smashed in that. But those 4 (Lee,Tait, Nannes, Johnson) are skilled T20 bowlers, so i would back them to no when to bowl what lenght...

[dikinee]

Originally Posted by TT Boy

And the Windies wickets have no pace (maybe Jamaica) so I'm not sure why you would want to bowl back of a length when the ball will just sit up to be spanked. Anyone remember how Johnson fared last time he was in the West Indies? Xavier Marshall made mince meat out of him...

Tait has form there because he pitched it up and took the pitch out of the equation.

The 20/20 World Cup if the wickets play like they have recently should be dominated by spinners and trundlers.

Spot on. I would be looking at sending more of the David Hussey types than fast bowlers. It is the slower bowlers who will have the biggest impact in the Carribean. Australia did very well last night on a pitch that was a pace bowlers dream but put those same bowlers on the dead tracks in the West Indies and it will be a different result. Mitchell Johnson was lucky not to go for 20 every over bowling the length that he does. When Australian bowlers work out that you need to bowl full and at the stumps in T20 then the rest of the world will have cause for concern but until then we will continue to be unsuccessful away from home.

[mohammad16]

Originally Posted by aussie

Ha as already mentioned by poster Matt79, its crazy to say Lee is the only real quality & consistent bowler of the 4 in T20. All of them are proven excellent T20 fast-bowlers possessing all the skills to be destructive in that format.

The batsmen won't love facing them at all, since they are by no means one-dimentional when it comes to their line-and-lenght along with their variety. All three are excellent death bowlers & given that a T20 is basically just like bowling in last 10 overs of a 50 over game, you basically have a potential perfect T20 pace attack with those 4.

Honestly that is not a bold move, you need a bit more variety and I would at least go for one medium pace control bowler. What Australia really lack is a quality spin option and we all know in 20 20s young history how dominant spin has been on all kinds of tracks. I mean doesnt it surprise you that the likes of Parnell, Umar Gul and Rana seem to have better 2020 records than Aussie thunderbolts?

I know pace can be a big asset, but really 4 150 plus bowlers is a gamble, especially on Windies pitches.

Lets not forget despite yesterdays pacy conditions, some of the pace still got taken to the cleaners by Akmal and hes no Sehwag or Gayle.

[thierry henry]

Originally Posted by thierry henry

Slats just said on air (and it sounded like he'd been doing some research) that Lee and Akhtar both bowled faster than 160.7kph at the 2003 World Cup.

The more I think about it the more I'm pretty sure Akhtar's ball to Knight topped 100mph, hence the fanfare.

Surprising how inaccurately this data is kept.

I was right

Akhtar v Knight, 2003 WC, 161.3 kph YouTube - Shoaib Akhtar Bowls The Fastest Ball In The History Of Cricket

[aussie]

Originally Posted by mohammad16

Honestly that is not a bold move, you need a bit more variety and I would at least go for one medium pace control bowler. What Australia really lack is a quality spin option and we all know in 20 20s young history how dominant spin has been on all kinds of tracks. I mean doesnt it surprise you that the likes of Parnell, Umar Gul and Rana seem to have better 2020 records than Aussie thunderbolts?

I know pace can be a big asset, but really 4 150 plus bowlers is a gamble, especially on Windies pitches.

Lets not forget despite yesterdays pacy conditions, some of the pace still got taken to the cleaners by Akmal and hes no Sehwag or Gayle.

I dont see why its bold especially as i said when you consider all those bowlers have are proven very good T20 bowlers, which is all the qualities the likes of Gul, Rana, Parnell, Malinga have based on what i've seen.

Of course im not going to be naive to say they would never be hit - they certainly can & will be givent hats the nature of the T20 format. But pace is AUS strenght, as i said before bowling in T20 is just like bowling in the last 10 overs of a 50 over game, you need a good/excellent yorker, good slower balls, good slower bumper & all 4 of those cats have those skills to a strong degree.

Spin isn't really needed in a T20 team if its not of T20 quality, AUS dropped Hauritz so that pretty much proves the selectors realise they don't have any quality T20 spin bowlers. Pace all the way!

[Top_Cat]

Originally Posted by aussie

Spin isn't really needed in a T20 team if its not of T20 quality, AUS dropped Hauritz so that pretty much proves the selectors realise they don't have any quality T20 spin bowlers. Pace all the way!

Err I'd not be citing the OZ selectors in any positive way about anything, tbh....

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Top_Cat

Err I'd not be citing the OZ selectors in any positive way about anything, tbh....

Since WI tour 07/08 thats has indeed been the case given the amount of crap decisions/selections they have made. But i think dropping Hauritz from the T20 set-up is the best move, since i was always of the opinion AUS in T20s should with a the 4 prong 150 mph attack especially with the WC in mind. Thats the bowling strenght.

Somebody is going to get & blood is going to run soon

[Top_Cat]

Macho bull**** sides have tended to suck big at T20. The attack you're mooting will go the journey, I reckon. We'll just have to wait and see but I'm not getting too excited about these guys bashing a demoralised Pakistan outfit. Not that I think Lee is in with a serious shot of making the T20 WC anyway.

Even if the attack is on, as we saw last night, OZ's biggest problems lie with their batting.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Top_Cat

Macho bull**** sides have tended to suck big at T20. The attack you're mooting will go the journey, I reckon. We'll just have to wait and see but I'm not getting too excited about these guys bashing a demoralised Pakistan outfit. Not that I think Lee is in with a serious shot of making the T20 WC anyway.

Even if the attack is on, as we saw last night, OZ's biggest problems lie with their batting.

What makes that side macho bull***?.

I see no reason for valid reasons why those 4 bowlers will go the journey regularly - thats way OTT. All have the skills required to be good T20 fast bowlers. Is that not obvious by watching them bowl?.

How is a fit Lee not with in a serious shot of making the WC squad?. Especially when you consider he is likely to be bowling by the time the IPL begins - thus will have T20 practise before the WC.

Yes AUS T20 problem is definately the batting. But that can be fixed, outside of Clarke the best potential T20 batsmen are in the team ATM. So sooner or later they will click as a T20 batting unit

[vic_orthdox]

Chris Gayle liked an all pace attack in the T20 WC.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by vic_orthdox

Chris Gayle liked an all pace attack in the T20 WC.

Chris Gayle is the perfect T20 batsman. In this format he is Lara like with the bat, so it will take an equally perfect T20 fast bowler or spinner to get him out generally.

[Prince EWS]

One player spolit team unity in Australia - Yousuf | Pakistan Cricket News | Cricinfo.com

Heh.

Wonder who he means; has to be someone who they dropped from the Test side in Australia. Faisal, Misbah, Ajmal, Kamran and Rauf all fit that.

[Faisal1985]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

One player spolit team unity in Australia - Yousuf | Pakistan Cricket News | Cricinfo.com

Heh.

Wonder who he means; has to be someone who they dropped from the Test side in Australia. Faisal, Misbah, Ajmal, Kamran and Rauf all fit that.

Its Malik.

[AaronK]

kamran akmal or shoaib Malik

Most likey that it was Kamran akmal considering that he kept making statements before the 3rd test saying that he is sure he will play.. Also Umar Akmal's fake injury..

Malik didn't play the first and second test so.. he may not be the guy..

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Faisal1985

Its Malik.

Doesn't seem to fit what he said though. He said they had a talk and decided they had to drop him during the Tests in Australia.. Malik in fact only played the last Test, so he was brought in.