cricket betting betway blog banner small
Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 105

Thread: Referral System claims its first victim

  1. #1
    Global Moderator Matt79's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Colll----ingggg---woooooodddd!!!!
    Posts
    17,424

    Referral System claims its first victim

    http://www.cricinfo.com/ausvwi09/con...ry/438322.html

    was against it before they brought it in, and on what we've seen so far, it's definitely a step for the worse for cricket. One less umpire on the elite panel and again the ICC utterly shaft their own on field proxies.
    Last edited by Matt79; 06-12-2009 at 01:04 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan
    We may not like you, your filthy rich coffers or your ratbag scum of supporters but by god do we respect you as a football team
    GOOD OLD COLLINGWOOD - PREMIERS IN 2010

    Is Cam White, Is Good.

  2. #2
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend andyc's Avatar
    Yeti Sports 1.5 Champion!
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    23,883
    Link's playing up, fyi.
    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Only a bunch of convicts having been beaten 3-0 and gone 9 tests without a win and won just 1 in 11 against England could go into the home series saying they will win. England will win in Australia again this winter as they are a better side which they have shown this summer. 3-0 doesn't lie girls.

  3. #3
    Global Moderator Matt79's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Colll----ingggg---woooooodddd!!!!
    Posts
    17,424
    Should be fixed now.

  4. #4
    Cricketer Of The Year SirBloody Idiot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Moving the hole in the o-zone layer
    Posts
    8,635
    Bit precious for mine. Yeah it was probably a mistake, but to take your ball and go home after this suggests he's probably not in the right job to start with.


  5. #5
    123/5 Flem274*'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    I fall asleep to Neil Wagner's roars
    Posts
    39,067
    Its been a massive success over here.
    Proudly supporting Central Districts
    RIP Craig Walsh

  6. #6
    Cricketer Of The Year zaremba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Burgess Hill
    Posts
    9,169
    Agree with SirBloodyIdiot on this.

    The referral system will take a bit of getting used to but will be a massive improvement IMO. I haven't seen the Benson incidents but from what I understand a decision of his was reversed because some of the replays showed he was wrong. Now to my mind if an umpire makes a mistake, our primary sense of responsibility shouldn't be to protect his poor delicate ego, it should be to rectify the mistake so that a correct decision is made. We go to the cricket to watch the players playing, not the umpires umpiring.

    As it happens, I believe that, on balance, the system strongly strengthens the authority of the on-field umpire, because it is likely to uphold their decisions more often than not, and because it makes the players (fielding team especially) "put up or shut up".

  7. #7
    Global Moderator Matt79's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Colll----ingggg---woooooodddd!!!!
    Posts
    17,424
    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    Agree with SirBloodyIdiot on this.

    The referral system will take a bit of getting used to but will be a massive improvement IMO. I haven't seen the Benson incidents but from what I understand a decision of his was reversed because some of the replays showed he was wrong. Now to my mind if an umpire makes a mistake, our primary sense of responsibility shouldn't be to protect his poor delicate ego, it should be to rectify the mistake so that a correct decision is made. We go to the cricket to watch the players playing, not the umpires umpiring.

    As it happens, I believe that, on balance, the system strongly strengthens the authority of the on-field umpire, because it is likely to uphold their decisions more often than not, and because it makes the players (fielding team especially) "put up or shut up".
    Nup. A decision of his was upheld, after which he got sledges by Bollonger and Ponting, and then another decision was over ruled but the considered opinion of everyone EXCEPT Asad Rauf was that his original decisin had been correct, or at least that there wasn't grounds to overrule it.
    Last edited by Matt79; 06-12-2009 at 01:20 AM.

  8. #8
    The Wheel is Forever silentstriker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    39,845
    Sorry Mark, but it's best you leave if you can't deal with it. It's his decision, and it's fine. 'Sledged' by Ponting and Bollinger? Please. I wonder what they could possibly have said - called him a long line of expletives or something? Doubtful. Most likely it was a glare and a random word. If you can't take that, don't let the door hit you on the way out. If it was anything more, he could have easily reported them and ICC would have backed him.

    Definitely a step up, and maybe Rauf should follow him if he can't read the actual rules on when to overturn a decision. Rauf being an idiot does not mean the system sucks, it just means Rauf does.

    This system would have definitely helped out in the IND-SL series, and from all accounts, it's been working well in the NZ-PAK series.
    Last edited by silentstriker; 06-12-2009 at 01:22 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by KungFu_Kallis View Post
    Peter Siddle top scores in both innings....... Matthew Wade gets out twice in one ball
    "The future light cone of the next Indian fast bowler is exactly the same as the past light cone of the previous one"
    -My beliefs summarized in words much more eloquent than I could come up with

    How the Universe came from nothing

  9. #9
    Cricketer Of The Year zaremba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Burgess Hill
    Posts
    9,169
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Nup. A decision of his was upheld, after which he got sledges by Bollonger and Ponting, and then another decision was over ruled but the considered opinion of everyone EXCEPT Asad Rauf was that his original decisin had been correct, or at least that there wasn't grounds to overrule it.
    Thanks for the info Matt.

    It seems to me that it's a question of getting umpires to get the right decision on the video referral, which really shouldn't be too difficult. Because if everyone except Asad Rauf could see that Benson got it right, the fault seems to me to lie with Asad Rauf rather than anywhere else.

    As for the sledging, there has been a definite drop-off of dissent and on-field pressurising of umpires in series where the system was trialled - this was the general consensus among officials. If Bollinger and Ponting were prepared to sledge Benson even after his decision was referred and upheld, imagine how they'd have sledged if his decision couldn't be referred at all.

  10. #10
    Request Your Custom Title Now! Top_Cat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Marburg, Germany
    Posts
    26,953
    HTFU, umpires. Never had it so bloody easy in terms of back-chat.
    Last edited by Top_Cat; 06-12-2009 at 01:43 AM.

  11. #11
    Request Your Custom Title Now! Simon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    25,597
    Aww diddums, if he can't handle that happening then it's probably best he isn't umpiring at this level.

  12. #12
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Shri's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    CSK
    Posts
    22,140
    Soft.

  13. #13
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Definitely a step up, and maybe Rauf should follow him if he can't read the actual rules on when to overturn a decision. Rauf being an idiot does not mean the system sucks, it just means Rauf does.
    Funny how that's applied so many times. Makes me think it's just a stupid set of rules that are incredibly difficult to read properly (perhaps because there is no way to make an obvious "proper"), and that a simpler set of rules that would create more accurate decisions with less controversy would be preferable.

    In fact I've thought that since before this referral nonsense was even instigated.

    Hopefully some melodramatic reactions like this might get the thing chucked out of the 11th floor window like another of ICC's idiotic ideas, the Supersub, was - eventually.
    RD
    Appreciating cricket's greatest legend ever - HD Bird...............Funniest post (intentionally) ever.....Runner-up.....Third.....Fourth
    (Accidental) founder of Twenty20 Is Boring Society. Click and post to sign-up.
    chris.hinton: h
    FRAZ: Arshad's are a long gone stories
    RIP Fardin Qayyumi (AKA "cricket player"; "Bob"), 1/11/1990-15/4/2006

  14. #14
    Global Moderator Matt79's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Colll----ingggg---woooooodddd!!!!
    Posts
    17,424
    Should add i'm not necessairily endorsing Benson's action, but umpires feeling undermined or humiliated is a fairly predictable issue, and performance suffering as their confidence is affected is equally predictable. There's already issues in attracting and retaining umpires.

    All this for a system where howlers can still occur.

  15. #15
    Englishman BoyBrumby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Gone too soon
    Posts
    46,619
    Having seen the incident I think Benson has legitimate grounds for greivance, any edge was faint enough to ellude Hot Spot, so (as is accepted practice) the benefit of any doubt goes to the batsman. Rauf's reversal flies in the face of technology and convention.

    That said, I don't agree with the manner in which he appears to have chosen to make his concerns public. If the facts are as the report intonates, it strikes one as an ego-driven flounce, which are almost invariably bad ideas.
    Cricket Web's current Premier League Tipping Champion

    - As featured in The Independent.

    "Brexit is the Tory party's baby; it's been a long and painful labour and, at the very last minute, they've sh@t all over it.'" - Frankie Boyle

Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast


Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. President Obama ?
    By Sanz in forum Off Topic
    Replies: 152
    Last Post: 05-11-2011, 02:03 AM
  2. Replies: 160
    Last Post: 07-10-2009, 10:54 AM
  3. Outline your referral system
    By Manee in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 48
    Last Post: 03-03-2009, 06:42 AM
  4. Who's backing the referral system now?
    By Polo23 in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 107
    Last Post: 25-12-2008, 06:30 PM
  5. Referral System
    By JimmyGS in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 79
    Last Post: 14-12-2008, 07:09 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •