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    Martin Crowe's idea

    Basically Martin Crowe yeasterday came up with this theory, that with the umpire review system, that eventually it will make the game more honest, about the idea of bringing back home umpires for Test matches, but only those that have earnt it. So umpires that have proven themselves (like Simon Taufel) would be allowed to umpire a Boxing Day Test at the MCG or the New Year's Test at the SCG, or Ian Gould could umpire a Test at Lord's (his words not mine). So for the new international umpires, they do the hard yards by traveling around the world and umpire and Tests and ODIs etc. and then when they have more experience, proven themselves, and not to be useless, then an umpire could do a home Test.

    The other reasons he stated this was that, for a home umpire, it would be just as special as say Taufel umpiring a Test at the MCG or the SCG as it is for an Aussie Test cricketer playing a home Test there. Also it is a way of cutting down umpire fatigue (and therefore less mistakes) and travelling time. Crowe said that Rudi Koertzen had traveled up to 50 hours to umpire in the 1st Test between New Zealand and Pakistan in Dunedin, but ended up having to act as the 3rd umpire instead. Craig McMillan was also in argeement.

    IMO, if the umpires are really good enough then yes, I doubt you would get any biased decisions from a guy like Taufel.
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    With the review system in place this is a great idea, if you think the umpire is deliberately making bad decisions not only can the world see but you can also over turn them. Doubt bias would come into it at all personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    I doubt you would get any biased decisions from a guy like Taufel.
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    Great idea from Crowe, but nothing will happen for a while. 5-10yrs down the track the Poms will change a few things, give it a snazzy new name, and all of a sudden it will be their idea!



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    It could also mean that players stop making completely pointless appeals. If they're concerned that the umpires might start making partial calls when there are no appeals left, they'll be more likely to conserve them for when the umpire has clearly made a mistake.
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    Why? No way.

    Why would you introduce something with very little upside and a whole lot of crappy downsides? Umpiring controversies of the recent past not enough? The Sydney fiasco would be maginfied ten times if the umpires were Australian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA View Post
    Great idea from Crowe, but nothing will happen for a while. 5-10yrs down the track the Poms will change a few things, give it a snazzy new name, and all of a sudden it will be their idea!


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    Quote Originally Posted by KiWiNiNjA View Post
    Great idea from Crowe, but nothing will happen for a while. 5-10yrs down the track the Poms will change a few things, give it a snazzy new name, and all of a sudden it will be their idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    It could also mean that players stop making completely pointless appeals. If they're concerned that the umpires might start making partial calls when there are no appeals left, they'll be more likely to conserve them for when the umpire has clearly made a mistake.
    There is an easy answer to that. If players are making appeals to decisions that are clearly out (like Sammy in Adelaide this morning) and are just wasting time, then fine the player 15% of his match fee. That will stop them pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Why? No way.

    Why would you introduce something with very little upside and a whole lot of crappy downsides? Umpiring controversies of the recent past not enough? The Sydney fiasco would be maginfied ten times if the umpires were Australian.
    Or if the referral system had been in place, the Kumble could of gone upstairs and Symonds would of been out.

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    With SS on this one. No point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    Or if the referral system had been in place, the Kumble could of gone upstairs and Symonds would of been out.
    Well of course, but you only get two incorrect referrals, which if they run out and you get wrong decisions, you get biased accusations instead. Or if an umpire is having a horrible innings, and let's say he gives four decisions, two are overturned and two aren't, and then he has a couple more bad ones.

    In sport, it is vitally important to avoid impropriety, and almost as important, to avoid the appearance of impropriety. There are no advantages to having umpires stand in home Tests. None. I'd rather have ten other mediocre umpires in the elite panel if the workload is too high than have a biased umpire.

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    I know you don't care about ODI cricket, but we still have home umpires for them. It's still international cricket, and we still cope. No mater who was umpiring, unless Symonds was out, all the rabid Indian fanboys would of accused Bucknor (or whoever else) of bias.

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    It wasn't close to one single decision by the way, but your point doesn't make sense. If you think accusations of bias will fly around anyway, why make it ten times worse by introducing the nationality of the umpires into it?

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