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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Well of course, but you only get two incorrect referrals, which if they run out and you get wrong decisions, you get biased accusations instead. Or if an umpire is having a horrible innings, and let's say he gives four decisions, two are overturned and two aren't, and then he has a couple more bad ones.

    In sport, it is vitally important to avoid impropriety, and almost as important, to avoid the appearance of impropriety. There are no advantages to having umpires stand in home Tests. None. I'd rather have ten other mediocre umpires in the elite panel if the workload is too high than have a biased umpire.
    When I was growing up with home umpires I couldn't stand the australian umpires. So quick to give our batsman out. Now with neutral umpires I can't blame the umpires any more.
    Definitely Crowe's idea would help with the problem - but I would sooner make Rudi travel for 50 hours.

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    Exactly. It doesn't matter if its true, if people think it is, it could be just as damaging to the game. It's why even talking abou the weather to bookies is so frowned upon - it's about the appearance of impropriety as much as it is about the actual crime itself. Sport has to be seen to be neutral.
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    Hell, I am hardly rabid if but it were two Australians standing in the Sydney Test, would I have wondered? More than wondered I think.

    Downside: Alienating millions of fans, creating random controversies or making them worse.
    Upside: Rudi doesn't have to travel 50 hours.

    Sorry Rudi, we'll give you some comp time instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Why? No way.

    Why would you introduce something with very little upside and a whole lot of crappy downsides? Umpiring controversies of the recent past not enough? The Sydney fiasco would be maginfied ten times if the umpires were Australian.
    I agree. Once the 2 appeals are used up, what if the "home" umpire makes a mistake then? Could lead to all those nasty acrimonious tours of the 1980s repeating.

    The only benefit is to the sanity of umpires who wouldn't have to travel the world to get to umpire (could see Peter Willey back at the test match level, for example?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    I agree. Once the 2 appeals are used up, what if the "home" umpire makes a mistake then? Could lead to all those nasty acrimonious tours of the 1980s repeating.

    The only benefit is to the sanity of umpires who wouldn't have to travel the world to get to umpire (could see Peter Willey back at the test match level, for example?)
    I think people forget how bad it got from time to time in the 80s, and why the whole neutral umpire thing was introduced in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    I think people forget how bad it got from time to time in the 80s, and why the whole neutral umpire thing was introduced in the first place?
    I think people tend to remember the Shakoor Rana thing as a one off, but it was a worldwide problem. The English umpires were generally better than most, but I can remember issues in every country who was playing test cricket at the time.

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    I definatly didn't see cricket in the 80's, don't remember much of the 90's, nor did I understand cricket that well at that stage, how does the umpiring now, compare to then, even in the early part of this decade when we had one home umpire per Test? I'm sure that is what Crowe wants, and it only being the best umpires, so Taufel to umpire in Australia, but not somebody like Bruce Oxenford or even Daryl Harper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
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    Umpiring mistakes are most of the time, genuine human errors while at other times, they is possibly an element of patriotism involved. Two test matches, both involving Pakistan (sorry ) come to mind, Pakistan vs Australia at Hobart in 99 and Pakistan vs West Indies in Antigua in 2000. The "errors" were so blatent and in your face, that you cant even give the umpire the benefit of doubt. Having been the unfortunate spectator in both those two matches, I have become strongly opposed to home umpires. I am sure most umpires are honest enough to not let patriotism cloud their judgment, but at this level, things should be so transparent that no one can raise an issue other than that of human error. So, no I dont support Martin Crowe on this, no home umpires! I hope we dont revert to home umpires with the new referral system now. Referral is here to correct human errors, why go back and create more chances "mistakes"




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    There is an easy answer to that. If players are making appeals to decisions that are clearly out (like Sammy in Adelaide this morning) and are just wasting time, then fine the player 15% of his match fee. That will stop them pretty quickly.
    and how are you going to decide that? I mean everyone is going to argue that they genuinely believe it was clearly not out or vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    I definatly didn't see cricket in the 80's, don't remember much of the 90's, nor did I understand cricket that well at that stage, how does the umpiring now, compare to then, even in the early part of this decade when we had one home umpire per Test? I'm sure that is what Crowe wants, and it only being the best umpires, so Taufel to umpire in Australia, but not somebody like Bruce Oxenford or even Daryl Harper.
    Taufel can umpire any other nation besides Australia. That's pretty good, who cares about just Australia? If the best umpire is English, then the Australians will get his services from time to time.

    He won't be the best umpire anymore, in the eyes of many fans, if he does umpire Australia and a few decisions go in favor of Australia and against their team. That'd be unfair to cricket, and to Taufel as well.

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    Completely behind SS on this.

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    If travel fatigue is a problem among umpires, then find other ways of umpiring ODIs.
    Using highly trained circus animals at the non-home umpire end or audience voting come to mind as two possibilities that might make that format more entertaining and solve a bigger problem that ODIs seem to now have.

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    Seriously, how many times is someone going to say "now we've got <insert new thing> we can bring back home Umpires!"?

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