Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Closer to 4 (47 to 51) and much better away from home than Tendulkar. Was only poor overall against 1 opponent whereas Tendulkar was poor against several. Not even that close.
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Select THREE middle order batsmen: Best of 00s
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Avada Kedavra
Banned
It's hard not to get influenced by <insert batsman's name> exploits outside of the decade in question.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
So what? Playing at home doesn't count? Anyway, 4 runs is not a big deal either. You can pick whoever you like, I'll take Tendulkar on my team anyday.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
They had similar success at home, it is away where there is a huge discrepancy. I just didn't expect someone who is usually coldly aware of the facts to lean towards a player who is clearly not in the top rung in this decade.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
He is in the top run this decade, but I'd agree with you, in terms of performances purely in this decade, Dravid has the edge over Tendulkar IMO.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Top rung would be Ponting, Kallis, Dravid and Lara. Tendulkar belongs in the rung below with the likes of Yousuf. Too many batsmen up there for Tendulkar to be top rung.
Tendulkar has the 22nd highest average of the decade, B/Z removed and minimum of 30 Test matches:
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
Tendulkar has the 22nd highest average of the decade, B/Z removed and minimum of 30 Test matches:
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Yes because of injury. Since its pretty clear than Flintoff after long injury lay-offs took a while to get his batting flowing again. While his bowling from ball one was on target.
IMO not over Ponting, Dravid, Lara in this deacde.
Please give me a series performance as an where Kallis as an all-rounder was better than Flintoff in Ashes 05 or IND 05/06??
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
I'd say KP as well tbf. His batting vs AUS in 05 & 06/07 was argubaly some of the best this decade.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
So what's Flintoff's lack of 5 fors attributed to?
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
The 2 big reason why Fred has taken more 5 wicket hauls since he became test quality in Bridgetown 04 are:
- Outside Ashes 05, Flintoff has regularly had to act not only as England main attacking option. But as the main defensive bowler, when the situation gets out of hand. Since the balance of ENGs bowling attack due to injuries & lack of quality support, hasn't allowed Freddie to be used in short sharp bursts.
- Secondly, as Ian Chappell rightlfully highlighted in Ashes 06/07. His whole career is a bit like Ambrose in AUS 92/93 before the Perth performance. Freddie natural lenght is back of lenght & just outside off, he doesn't bowl full which at times affects his ability to take big hauls in test matches.
But in ODIs, such a line & lenghts have proven to be perfect for him though.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Being able to bowl in the right areas is a huge part of bowling ability.
Flintoff's back of a length bowling might cause batsmen unease, but it doesn't take wickets.
Even at his 2003-06 peak, his figures were good as opposed to exceptional.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
The back of lenght bowling as said was a result of him having to adapt to being ENGs only bowler who could keep the runs down. While also being our main attacking bowler, given the lack of quality around him.
As i said in the Ashes when Vaughan could have used as strike bowler like how Akhtar, Steyn etc are used, you know the result.
Injuries didn't help. Plus in 2003 he wasn't much of bowler yet, his peak began when he took his first 5 wicket haul in Bridgetown 04.GingerFurball said:
Furball
Evil Scotsman
He had a good tour of Sri Lanka, and I don't remember Flintoff being injured much in that period.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
I'd say from IND 01 to SRI 03 or Trinidad 04. Flintoff could pass as a test bowler, he was what Watson was for AUS right now with ball. He gave us a useful option as 5th bowler, nothing more.
His batting vs SA 03, is what took off that year.
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