View Poll Results: Who is the worst England player since 1990 of those whose selection made some sense?

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Thread: Apart from Ian Salisbury, who is the worst England player since 1990 of those........

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    Apart from Ian Salisbury, who is the worst England player since 1990 of those........

    ....... whose selection made some amount of (however little) sense?

    Different question to the one about who was worst out of Wayne Larkins, David Capel, Eddie Hemmings, Neil Williams, Derek Pringle, Ian Botham, Dermot Reeve, John Emburey, Neil Foster, Mike Watkinson, Ben Hollioake, Gavin Hamilton, Chris Schofield, Usman Afzaal, James Ormond, Richard Dawson, Anthony McGrath, Gareth Batty, Geraint Jones, Liam Plunkett, Ian Blackwell, Sajid Mahmood, Darren Pattinson and Amjad Khan. That one was based on who was just most bad full-stop and who least deserved their Test selection (none of them did nor came close to). This one is more who was worst once they got to Test level.

    And Salisbury not included on the basis that if he was there'd be no point even asking.

    Excluded are other players who can be classed as failures in Test cricket overall but who certainly had very short periods where they briefly looked the part: Devon Malcolm, Philip Tufnell, Mark Ramprakash, Graeme Hick, John Crawley and Stephen Harmison.
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    Haa Richard is full problems..

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    And after a long hard think I guess I'd vote for Chris Adams. More on the basis that it was so ridiculous that he played ahead of both Ramprakash (who should never have been dropped that winter) and Aftab Habib (who was a better long-form batsman in his sleep than Adams and who played a whole 3 innings, all as an injury replacement, the previous summer, to Adams' 8) than anything else, I can't help thinking. It'd be quite fair to go for any number of options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Haa Richard is full problems..
    Eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Eh?
    Dont think you needed to start this thread uncle, seems a bit redundant...

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    Same could be said of countless threads. There's far less point in a "bearded XI" thread than this'un. I only started it in response to the distaste for the fact that I'd not included Ian Salisbury in the other, similar one.

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    What exactly is the judging criteria? Worst overall cricketer in all forms? As Richard has seemingly expunged any players he deems unworthy of selection most of the remainder should be solid county pros at least.

    Blokes like Such, Mullally & Ealham rather libeled by their inclusion, IMHO. Such arguably the best offie (in terms of just bowling) we've had since Embers and the other two were decent ODI performers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    What exactly is the judging criteria? Worst overall cricketer in all forms? As Richard has seemingly expunged any players he deems unworthy of selection most of the remainder should be solid county pros at least.

    Blokes like Such, Mullally & Ealham rather libeled by their inclusion, IMHO. Such arguably the best offie (in terms of just bowling) we've had since Embers and the other two were decent ODI performers.
    The most absurd inclusion is Chris Lewis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    What exactly is the judging criteria? Worst overall cricketer in all forms? As Richard has seemingly expunged any players he deems unworthy of selection most of the remainder should be solid county pros at least.

    Blokes like Such, Mullally & Ealham rather libeled by their inclusion, IMHO. Such arguably the best offie (in terms of just bowling) we've had since Embers and the other two were decent ODI performers.
    Mullally and Ealham were both outstanding ODI bowlers, but the unwritten rule of CW applies as always: Tests only unless otherwise stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    The most absurd inclusion is Chris Lewis.
    Why exactly? He did next to nothing in an extended Test career which was resurrected at least once without any good cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Why exactly? He did next to nothing in an extended Test career which was resurrected at least once without any good cause.
    Let's get Craig White in there while we're at it. There are people like Hugh Morris and Steve James not even in the list who's selection was more merited than some who are and are streets ahead of Chris Lewis in the worst player stakes.

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    I think you need a smaller number of selections to get a good answer in a poll like that. There's plenty of decent enough players in there.

    Plus could we have something a bit more positive next time... all the negativity about how **** x player is is getting me down. I shall have to go and look at my naked Watto pictures to cheer me up soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    Plus could we have something a bit more positive next time... all the negativity about how **** x player is is getting me down. .
    I think Richard is compiling the next poll at this very minute:
    Who's the best of the worst players to play for England since 1990?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    I think Richard is compiling the next poll at this very minute:
    Who's the best of the worst players to play for England since 1990?
    Tres IMHO.

    I love the bloke to bits, but I'm sure Dicko would argue there's no way he should have been selected, no one could have foreseen how well he'd do and he was very lucky, etc.

    For a simulacrum of a genuine Dickinson post readers at home may wish to insert some random adverbs and hyphons for themselves.

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    No way Peter Such should be in the list. He was an excellent exponent of control for Essex, and given that he played most of his tests against a rampant Aussie team, I thought he played pretty well. He averaged in the low 30s (which, for a finger spinner is excellent) and took 6-fer something against the Aussies at Old Trafford as I recall.

    There's no way he should be in there. And this is despite the fact I saw him trundle away unrewarded for over after over at this test:

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