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    Best match winners - batsmen and bowlers

    Who are they ?
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    In tests, I dont really believe there are any 'match-winning' batsmen. Bowlers win matches, not batsmen. There are just some batsmen who are better at playing under pressure than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    In tests, I dont really believe there are any 'match-winning' batsmen. Bowlers win matches, not batsmen. There are just some batsmen who are better at playing under pressure than others.
    Its a team game. One type of player isn't necessarily more important than the other.

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    A batsman who scores runs when team needs it and helps the team to win matches can be considered a match winning batsman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by metallics2006 View Post
    Its a team game. One type of player isn't necessarily more important than the other.
    I disagree. I find a worldclass bowler, especially a fast bowler, to be more valuable than a worldclass batsman in test cricket.

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    Brain Lara comes to mind that comes to mind immediately of recent times.

    Greame Smith has done well in the 4 innings of tests.
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    Anil Kumble's almost the definition of a match-winner for mine. He doesn't set the game up for victory like a strong first innings batsman or a top-class fast bowler. But when it gets to day 4 or 5 and a match is hanging in the balance, he's the guy who wins his side the game. Turns draws and defeats into victories.

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    Match winners = Shane Warne, Murali, Mcgrath etc
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    Shane Warne. The greatest match winner of them all for mine. Be it Tests or ODIs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    I disagree. I find a worldclass bowler, especially a fast bowler, to be more valuable than a worldclass batsman in test cricket.
    If bowlers can win matches on their own, why select 6-7 batsmen in a side?

    Individual match winners imo:

    Tests - Inzamam Ul-Haq, Shane Warne

    Odis - Sachin Tendulkar / Michael Bevan, Muralitharan / Mcgrath

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    Best oxymoron - this thread title (well, half of it anyway). As stated here
    Quote Originally Posted by subshakerz View Post
    In tests, I dont really believe there are any 'match-winning' batsmen. Bowlers win matches, not batsmen.
    in the limitless-over game, batsmen don't win matches, bowlers do. Without 20 wickets being taken, victories are almost certain not to happen. However good your batsmen, if your bowlers aren't good enough, you won't win matches (even if you might also not lose many).
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    Quote Originally Posted by metallics2006 View Post
    Its a team game. One type of player isn't necessarily more important than the other.
    Not more important, they just play different roles. Bowlers win matches; batsmen either save them or make the difference between defeat and victory. If bowlers on both sides are not good enough, the match will not have a result.
    Quote Originally Posted by metallics2006 View Post
    If bowlers can win matches on their own, why select 6-7 batsmen in a side?
    Because you never need more than five bowlers and mostly don't need more than four. However you always want as much batting as possible - not only should you use every place not taken-up with bowlers on batsmen, but all your bowlers should bat as well as they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metallics2006 View Post
    If bowlers can win matches on their own, why select 6-7 batsmen in a side?
    Not really the point. The difference between a world-class bowler and a mediocre bowler in output is an absolute chasm compared to the difference between a world-class batsman and a mediocre batsman.

    A solid batting lineup is just as important as a good bowling lineup when developing a side, but of the best players in history, the ones who won their side the most test matches are all bowlers.

    Except Bradman. Obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notorious1 View Post
    A batsman who scores runs when team needs it and helps the team to win matches can be considered a match winning batsman.
    So go on then - when does the team not need runs? Under almost any conceivable circumstance, scoring runs > not scoring runs. The batsmen who score runs best are those which make the best contribution towards their side's position of the game.

    Of course there are times when runs are more critical than others, but there is almost no such thing as "a time when runs are not needed". A batsman who scores lots of runs regularly will invariably make a great many contributions to a great many good positions - which if his bowlers are good enough will then be converted to a great many victories. It is not fair to blame the inadequacies of a team's bowlers on their batsmen, and plain silly to say "<insert batsman> doesn't score runs when they're needed".
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