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IPL vs state

Matt79

Global Moderator
The other issue would be in that case - of course as you say dependent on how it was worded, which none of us know - that when Hodge signed that contract he would likely have understood the IPL season to occur outside the Australian domestic season. Moving the IPL tournament so it overlaps it is a pretty major change to that contract and hence he might have grounds to get an out, but of course it would depend on the wording.
 

brockley

International Captain
Maybe it should be left to the players concerned.
The aussie domestic players are more vital than the south african ones.
Brad hodge is kolkartas best batsmen.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Why is an IPL contract more important than a players domestic contract?
From a legal standpoint, it isn't, but to a casual observer, a $600,000 contract for 3 weeks work seems more important than $80-90,000 (or whatever it is) for a state contract.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
You really hate the BCCI, IPL and Modi don't you?
Modi yea, he all about the money.

No issue with the BCCI its not their fault by default they have so much power in the game. I blame the ICC for not being a proper governing body. Which is disgraceful for a sport with such a great history.

Hate the IPL in its current structure yea. Scrap the international players restrictions & its a super tournament.



Now, the wording of 'IPL Window' could be crucial. Is it stated to be for the duration of the IPL tournament (from Date1 to Date2), or is it left vague without set dates? If it has a start/finish date, then surely Hodge would make sure he's free to play a Shield final. Would he seriously give that up to play a couple of T20s?

But if its vague, and Modi determines the window to be any time IPL-sanctioned cricket is played, then you could have serious issues. If an IPL Champions League (Presuming Kolkata is in and Victoria isn't) game overlaps with a Shield game, you have 2 exclusive contracts fighting each other, with both parties having a legal case to have Brad playing for them.
This is the key. The rule would have big implications for the champions league & it contradicts everything Modi & co claimed that the CL aim is to promote & develop domestic teams worldwide.

Since all such a contract would do in the case preventing all major players from representing their domestic teams in the CL. If they want to implement this contract rule - the champions league would have to be scrapped.

But if its not scrapped & this contract system is implemented, as i said i hope the players dont agree to it, thus making Modi think again. Since if the international players refuse to play for their IPL teams, the IPL becomes useless.
 

brockley

International Captain
A cricket australia spokesman was on radio this morning abc talkback,grandstand,he said even now future internationals at state level if they we're to choose between ipl and international cricket,they would choose ipl,ryan campbell echoed this as well.
Doesn't help the states cause does it.
After hearing what the players think feel,a window needs to be opened for ipl.
State cricket in s africa and australia to have a comical look later this season.
Reminds me of when some little known players from NSW won the sheffield shield in 93/94 against tassie.
 
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zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Precisely the point, and I suspect nobody on this forum does.

Hasn't stopped the usual suspects from posting their usual rubbish though.
I think it's a fair assumption that these vastly-remunerated contracts of employment have been carefully drafted. If so, it is impossible to imagine that the contracts don't make detailed provision for what happens in the event of a clash of commitments.
 

brockley

International Captain
Vics face choice: money or stateMICHAEL GLEESON
December 4, 2009
SITTING comfortably on top of the Sheffield Shield table, Victoria would be expected to make the final. What manner of side it is able to field is another question, with Victoria and its players and coach facing a potential conflict involving the Indian Premier League.

The lucrative IPL has been brought forward this summer to accommodate the Twenty20 World Cup and thus created a clash with the last home-and-away round and final of the Sheffield Shield.

IPL chairman Lalit Modi has raised the prospect of banning players who play for their domestic teams instead of their IPL franchise.

He has also threatened that teams from countries that refuse to release players for the IPL could be barred from competing in the wealthy Champions League. NSW won the Champions League this year earning a fortune for the state and its players.

''The IPL will work with all the cricket boards to ensure that cricketers contracted with the eight franchises are available for the season,'' Modi told cricinfo.

''A worst-case scenario could mean penalties on such players including termination of contracts, jeopardising future participation.

''However, we do not want to walk that path and are hopeful that we can sort this through discussions with the boards.''

Bushrangers bowler Dirk Nannes was required to play for his IPL franchise instead of Victoria, while Victorian coach Greg Shipperd, who is also coach of Delhi, was allowed to coach the state in the recent tournament.

Victorian players David Hussey, Cameron White, Rob Quiney and Andrew McDonald all have IPL contracts.

Clint McKay and Peter Siddle would also likely be soughtafter by IPL teams at the next player auction in January.

Australian Cricketers Association chief Paul Marsh said players were in an invidious position where if they chose their state instead of their IPL franchise they could potentially be jeopardising all Australian teams' participation in the Champions League.

''The players have signed these contracts with Cricket Australia or the states, but the issue is will players in the future want to sign contracts with Cricket Australia and their states if this is what signing a contract means with the restrictions that are placed on them?

''From the perspective of the threat to the Champions League, the player in that situation his obligation is to [play for] Victoria, but is he going to put not only Victoria's but all the Australian teams' representation and participation in the Champion League at risk if he doesn't go and play for his IPL franchise? The other issue is that you have players who are in some cases earning a lot more money from playing IPL than what they are from their domestic contract.

''CA have sent a directive to each of the states to say no one should be releasing any players until after the end of the state season.

''It is a difficult issue and we are seeing more and more of these issues.''

Australian cricket operations manager Michael Brown said at the moment it was a hypothetical situation.

' ''We haven't even gone down the path of contemplating what we would do, how we would deal with it, because at this stage it is not an issue because no player has made application,'' Brown said.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Vics face choice: money or stateMICHAEL GLEESON
December 4, 2009
SITTING comfortably on top of the Sheffield Shield table, Victoria would be expected to make the final. What manner of side it is able to field is another question, with Victoria and its players and coach facing a potential conflict involving the Indian Premier League.

The lucrative IPL has been brought forward this summer to accommodate the Twenty20 World Cup and thus created a clash with the last home-and-away round and final of the Sheffield Shield.

IPL chairman Lalit Modi has raised the prospect of banning players who play for their domestic teams instead of their IPL franchise.

He has also threatened that teams from countries that refuse to release players for the IPL could be barred from competing in the wealthy Champions League. NSW won the Champions League this year earning a fortune for the state and its players.

''The IPL will work with all the cricket boards to ensure that cricketers contracted with the eight franchises are available for the season,'' Modi told cricinfo.

''A worst-case scenario could mean penalties on such players including termination of contracts, jeopardising future participation.

''However, we do not want to walk that path and are hopeful that we can sort this through discussions with the boards.''

Bushrangers bowler Dirk Nannes was required to play for his IPL franchise instead of Victoria, while Victorian coach Greg Shipperd, who is also coach of Delhi, was allowed to coach the state in the recent tournament.

Victorian players David Hussey, Cameron White, Rob Quiney and Andrew McDonald all have IPL contracts.

Clint McKay and Peter Siddle would also likely be soughtafter by IPL teams at the next player auction in January.

Australian Cricketers Association chief Paul Marsh said players were in an invidious position where if they chose their state instead of their IPL franchise they could potentially be jeopardising all Australian teams' participation in the Champions League.

''The players have signed these contracts with Cricket Australia or the states, but the issue is will players in the future want to sign contracts with Cricket Australia and their states if this is what signing a contract means with the restrictions that are placed on them?

''From the perspective of the threat to the Champions League, the player in that situation his obligation is to [play for] Victoria, but is he going to put not only Victoria's but all the Australian teams' representation and participation in the Champion League at risk if he doesn't go and play for his IPL franchise? The other issue is that you have players who are in some cases earning a lot more money from playing IPL than what they are from their domestic contract.

''CA have sent a directive to each of the states to say no one should be releasing any players until after the end of the state season.

''It is a difficult issue and we are seeing more and more of these issues.''

Australian cricket operations manager Michael Brown said at the moment it was a hypothetical situation.

' ''We haven't even gone down the path of contemplating what we would do, how we would deal with it, because at this stage it is not an issue because no player has made application,'' Brown said.
I thought representing Dehli Daredevils was Nannes' choice?
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
I thought representing Dehli Daredevils was Nannes' choice?
Supposedly it was in the original contract that he signed with Delhi, that he would prioritise the Daredevils over any other side that got there. I guess at that stage he'd helped Middlesex win/do well in the Twenty20 league, as well as Victoria winning a few Twenty20 trophies, so they made sure they got first dibs.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I think that's a fair way to do it. Players can choose IPL and it would be written into their contract - doing so would probably net them more money while not doing it would mean slightly less (or maybe the franchise could pass), but the choice would remain with the IPL franchise and the individual players.
 

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