*Official* West Indies In Australia - Page 3

howardj · 04-11-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie

Looking at the AUS team, presuming Clarke, Siddle & Lee will be fit - the team for the 1st test should surely be the same from the Oval test - only change should be Lee replacing Clark.

Lee should not be in the side.

CHeck out his Test performances last Summer against India and South Africa.

Furthermore, he is injury prone.

Hauritz in for Clark.

Hughes in for Hussey.

aussie · 04-11-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by howardj

Lee should not be in the side.

CHeck out his Test performances last Summer against India and South Africa.

Yes he played those test match injured, so you use that as a guide. His recent bowling form in ODIs clealry proves he is ready to go right back into the test XI & take the new-ball with Hilfy.

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Originally Posted by howardj

Furthermore, he is injury prone.

He is getting the odd injury here & there, but his injury woes aren't of the Bond or Watson level - so i wont put him in the "injury prone" bracket just yet. This recent injury clearly was due to too much cricket too quickly, even Siddle got injured.

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Originally Posted by howardj

Hauritz in for Clark.

4-seamers should always play from now on in tests - since thats the bowling strenght. AUS selectors have wasted enough since WI 08 not doing this.

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Originally Posted by howardj

Hughes in for Hussey.

Not yet. Hussey earned the right keep his place after the Oval hundred. Although if Watson doesn't the most of his time opening soon, Hughes should come right back in.

Nnanden · 04-11-2009, 06:57 PM

You're both wrong. (Y)

Uppercut · 04-11-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by howardj

Lee should not be in the side.

CHeck out his Test performances last Summer against India and South Africa.

Hmmmm. On one hand, he had a few bad games a year ago. On the other hand, he's absolutely ****ing awesome and one of the best bowlers around. Get him in the team ASAP.

Matt79 · 04-11-2009, 07:18 PM

Reckon he'll be dropped permanently by the end of the summer. Johnson and Siddle are the future.

howardj · 04-11-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie

Yes he played those test match injured, so you use that as a guide. His recent bowling form in ODIs clealry proves he is ready to go right back into the test XI & take the new-ball with Hilfy.
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The big flaw in that argument is that he destroyed the NZ lineup in the 2 Tests smack bang in the middle of the two aforementioned series. He showed no signs of injury then - rather, he was up against a popgun batting line up.

howardj · 04-11-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Uppercut

Hmmmm. On one hand, he had a few bad games a year ago. On the other hand, he's absolutely ****ing awesome and one of the best bowlers around. Get him in the team ASAP.

He is not mate.

When will anyone look at this man's stats rather than his looks and his spin?

Uppercut · 04-11-2009, 07:37 PM

Unless 90mph yorkers that reverse a mile are no longer any use in test cricket, he's awesome. No one who has watched him bowl since the start of the English summer could possibly argue otherwise.

Clapo · 04-11-2009, 07:47 PM

Would bring Lee in for Hiflenhaus in a flash. Unfortunately, I doubt the selectors will see it that way given he was the best bowler in England. I think it's becoming glaringly obvoius that Clarks international career is all but over, and won't be surprised if the only change to the first test lineup (pending injuries of course) is Hauritz in for Clark.

Uppercut · 04-11-2009, 08:01 PM

Siddle should surely be the man to make way for Lee. He's a very good bowler but the fact is that there are currently three better quicks than him in the country.

I wouldn't write off Hilfenhaus in Australia. He's a lot faster than the way people talk about him would have you believe (possibly compounded by his conservative use of the bouncer). Any bowler with his level of pace and accuracy with a hint of outswing can certainly expect success in test cricket.

Burgey · 04-11-2009, 08:22 PM

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Siddle should surely be the man to make way for Lee. He's a very good bowler but the fact is that there are currently three better quicks than him in the country.

I wouldn't write off Hilfenhaus in Australia. He's a lot faster than the way people talk about him would have you believe (possibly compounded by his conservative use of the bouncer). Any bowler with his level of pace and accuracy with a hint of outswing can certainly expect success in test cricket.

The ball doesn't swing much here. He's not as bad as Anderson when it doesn't swing, but he's not very effective. Siddle > Hilfenhaus imo, Ashes figures nws.

Matt79 · 04-11-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Uppercut

Unless 90mph yorkers that reverse a mile are no longer any use in test cricket, he's awesome. No one who has watched him bowl since the start of the English summer could possibly argue otherwise.

Uppercut, you're confusing Lee's ODI form, and possibly also one brief spell against the Lions with his test bowling. The two need to be looked at quite seperately because Lee's career record shows there's little correlation with him being a world beater with the white ball, and often only average with the red. In any case, I just can't see him bowling a full load in back to back tests.

Matt79 · 04-11-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

The ball doesn't swing much here. He's not as bad as Anderson when it doesn't swing, but he's not very effective. Siddle > Hilfenhaus imo, Ashes figures nws.

Exactly my thoughts. Reckon Hilfy will look average if he ever has to bowl to a decent line up in conditions less conductive to his style than he found in England and to a lesser degree SA. Siddle is developing with ever outing and has a style that will fare much better in the roads we seem to get served up down here these days.

Burgey · 04-11-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt79

Exactly my thoughts. Reckon Hilfy will look average if he ever has to bowl to a decent line up in conditions less conductive to his style than he found in England and to a lesser degree SA. Siddle is developing with ever outing and has a style that will fare much better in the roads we seem to get served up down here these days.

Much as I admired Hilfy's efforts in England (and tbf they were such as to earn him first crack this summer), weren't his SA figures cod-ordinary too?

vic_orthdox · 04-11-2009, 09:15 PM

If Lee plays the First Test without playing a four day game for NSW beforehand, it's lunacy.

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Uppercut Cricket Web Staff Member Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Back in the Realm of Eternal Rain Posts: 14,258	Siddle should surely be the man to make way for Lee. He's a very good bowler but the fact is that there are currently three better quicks than him in the country. I wouldn't write off Hilfenhaus in Australia. He's a lot faster than the way people talk about him would have you believe (possibly compounded by his conservative use of the bouncer). Any bowler with his level of pace and accuracy with a hint of outswing can certainly expect success in test cricket.

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