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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    What are they doing between December 8 and December 16?

    I just feel as though almost all of those 7 players resting would benefit playing a Shield match before the first test.
    Oh yeah, that's true actually. Though it's the longest gap between matches that whole 5/6 months as far as I can see. Do you need to leave a longer gap between flying to Perth and the match than other places so you can recover from the flight?

    I agree with you really, that you want to play a Shield match before the test. Just that I can understand why they aren't going to, given some of those players have been on the go for ages and there's so much to come. I did think Hilfenhaus, out of all of them, would play though.

    I know I feel like I need a break when I've not had a holiday for a few months, and it's amazing how much better you feel after a week off. And I wouldn't count my job as as high pressured as theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    Well it looks as though this will be the core of the Australian team, given they are all rested from the only four-day state match leading up to the test:

    Watson
    Ponting
    Hussey
    Johnson
    Hauritz
    Hilfenhaus
    Siddle
    Hilf should appreciate the rest as since the Ashes finished on the 23rd of August, he's bowled 26 overs of utter rubbish (economy rate of 7.4, bowling average of nearly 50)

    Obviously has a sore neck from looking into the air as the ball disappears into the stands
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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    I agree with you really, that you want to play a Shield match before the test. Just that I can understand why they aren't going to, given some of those players have been on the go for ages and there's so much to come. I did think Hilfenhaus, out of all of them, would play though..
    I agree, shame about the tight scheduling; though nowadays it’s all part and parcel of international cricket, not to mention
    countless other professional sports (such as tennis off the top of my head).

    I think that if there were fewer meaningless fixtures (especially the excessive amount of recent ODIs) the player performances
    as well as the quality of the games would maintain a higher standard.

    I can understand that Johnson might be suffering from burnout, but if it was up to me Hussey would be playing against Victoria,
    despite his rather overbearing workload of late. IMO it would have been beneficial and an ideal opportunity for him to reacquaint
    himself with the longer format as well as to build his confidence, especially if he could have compiled a big score.

    Hopefully he can replicate his one day form in the Test series if selected, since he is one of my favourite
    players to watch when set and in full flight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Hilf should appreciate the rest as since the Ashes finished on the 23rd of August, he's bowled 26 overs of utter rubbish (economy rate of 7.4, bowling average of nearly 50)

    Obviously has a sore neck from looking into the air as the ball disappears into the stands
    Have some sympathy; your neck would be sore too if you had a second head.
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    I'm very disappointed with the schedule for this tour....

    How did the WICB agree to this rubbish scheduling?

    The West Indies only have one warmup match before the first Test, which is not good enough, IMHO, for players to get used to alien conditions. And if the weather is bad, as Sri Lanka have just found out, you could find yourself going straight into a Test match without any local preparation.

    And surely some effort could've been made to fit in at least a two-day game between the second and third Test. Because, as is likely, the WIndies could find themselves trailing in the series, and may want a look at one or two possible replacements before the final Test. No vision, no planning....

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    Same crap happens to every team that comes down here. In fact the same crap happens everywhere. It's deplorable but hey, we could squeeze another 7 match ODI series in the time you're asking to play a couple of 3 or 4 day tour matches!
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    Only worst acclimatisation process is for the Australians - most have zero matches before the first test

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    Ye it happens on most tours worldwide really, given the crazy jam packed world scheduling.

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    Sluggish Ponting facing Test ban - Cricket - Fox Sports

    Damn this could affect my hopes of seeing 4 quicks being played for the 1st test & beyond, rasss!!

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    Wow, have only been saying this for a couple of years and now you reach that conclusion? At least Hauritz should now get the continued opportunity his form in the Ashes and since merits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Wow, have only been saying this for a couple of years and now you reach that conclusion? At least Hauritz should now get the continued opportunity his form in the Ashes and since merits.
    You have & i have never really agreed with the notion tbf. Last season Krejza & Haurtiz played in all test except the Gabba test & the over-rate issue still an issue. Over in England in the last 2 tests, over-rates wasn't an issue with 4 seamers. AUS can definately get through 90 overs or at least 85 overs a day with 4-seamers while letting North/Clarke/Katich when filling in a few overs when needed.

    The strenght in the bowling attack is in the fast bowling ranks & 4 should start the 1st test & always play IMO. Haurtiz/Krejza should only play if:

    - its raging turner in the sub-continent or every SCG home test

    - Unless Watson can be depended to play as all-rounder consistently in tests in a 5-man bowling attack, without breaking down unexpectedly, which ATM we cant be sure of.

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    He survived the past 6 months when many didn't, so I think we can chance it, although Id say Watson's bowling is irrelevant as to whether we play Hauritz or not. If Hauritz were not good enough, and the first three quicks picked wer not good enough, I don't think Watto is really going to solve those woes with the ball. He's strictly icing on this bowling cake, as is North.

    I think Hauritz should be in the team for three reasons - he has performed well in the past twelve months on pitches that were NOT massive spinning tracks; he gives Ponting some variety to play with in the attack and I think Ricky needs that as a captain, and the overrate issue is a real one with serious consequences that we should seek to mitigate. We're much more likely to be able to keep to the overrate with Hauritz as one of the four main bowlers than with four quicks. As you say, it doesn't guarantee anything, but it's a huge headstart.

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    Would advocate picking Hauritz for form reasons too but also to avoid the situation where a part-timer like North bowls a heap of overs and is shot when he has to bat.

    Watto's bowling a non-issue in selection for mine; pick him on form with the bat unless NSW start giving him major overs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    He survived the past 6 months when many didn't, so I think we can chance it, although Id say Watson's bowling is irrelevant as to whether we play Hauritz or not. If Hauritz were not good enough, and the first three quicks picked wer not good enough, I don't think Watto is really going to solve those woes with the ball. He's strictly icing on this bowling cake, as is North.


    I think Hauritz should be in the team for three reasons - he has performed well in the past twelve months on pitches that were NOT massive spinning tracks; he gives Ponting some variety to play with in the attack and I think Ricky needs that as a captain, and the overrate issue is a real one with serious consequences that we should seek to mitigate. We're much more likely to be able to keep to the overrate with Hauritz as one of the four main bowlers than with four quicks. As you say, it doesn't guarantee anything, but it's a huge headstart.
    Hauritz indeed didn't disgrace himself in ENG. But AFAIC that has to alot to do with ENGs batting poor play againts spin. England let Haurtiz bowl to them to much, they hardly tried to come down the wicket to try to hit him off his lenght - Hauritz was played too circumspectly by ENG. This is where Pietersen being injured had a big effect, since he was one batsman who would have really taken it to Hauritz.

    So overall Hauritz aint good enough to play as part of 4-man attack againts teams that play spinners agressively (although AUS could get away with in the coming months vs West Indies & NZ but not IND, SA, SRI & PAK). Since ATS the main pace trio of Hilfy/Siddle/Johnson although they have all the ability in the world - they aren't McGrath/Dizzy/Kasper in quality & consistency ATM. If one has an off-day as we saw in the Ashes many times, things could get a very ugly. So thats why its imperitve AUS have at least 4 solid bowlers (4 quicks of contrasting variety) or 5 at least (3 quicks, Watson, Krejza/Hauritz), so that Ponting will have options in case one has an off-day.

    This is where Watson's imput as a bowlers still is very important & key if we want to play Krejza/Hauritz consistently. Yes Watson's batting these days should clearly qualify him for a place in top 6 on batting ability alone - but he still should be considered as all-rounder, since his bowling having an input is a VERY important facet of the test attack in this post McWarne era. His bowling will likely never be Flintoff like in quality, but more so like what Kallis was in SA's successful last 3 years in their attack of Steyn/Ntini/Morkel/Harris. If Kallis couldn't bowl i doubt also SA would have played Harris who does a similar containing role to Hauritz - but is anything special.

    On the over rates. Yes AUS can't sweep that issue under the carpet - but at the same time they shouldn't let the issue dictate how the bowling attack is structured. If SA of the 90s & much of this 2000s era could manage to play 4 or 5 seamers without running into to much over-rate issues, i certainly think AUS can with 4 seamers based on what i saw in the last 2 Ashes tests.
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    Here is an interesting article on Jerome Taylor's dominance over Ricky Ponting since they first played each other in 2006. Digicel Article

    All told, Ponting has scored a mere 274 runs against the West Indies when Taylor has played and at a very ‘un-Ponting-esque’ average of 22.8.

    Of the 12 occasions that the two have met, Taylor prevailed an astounding nine times. Those are memories to cause Ponting more than mild discomfort as he walks out to bat in the first Test at the Gabba on November 26th.

    Taylor’s ability to bowl lethal inswingers at Ponting early in his innings has brought around the Aussie captain’s regular demise. Of the nine times Taylor has snapped him up, five have been through lbws, another two have been bowled and the other two were caught.

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