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    Test Seond innings highest averages?

    If you only count the second innings test batting averages, who has the highest average? also who has the most runs, most centuries batting in second innings????
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaeedAnwar View Post
    If you only count the second innings test batting averages, who has the highest average? also who has the most runs, most centuries batting in second innings????
    Minimum qualification: 30 innings

    Highest average: Don Bradman (2299 runs @ 104.50)
    Most runs: Allan Border (4,371 runs @ 54.63)
    Most centuries: Allan Border, Sunil Gavaskar, Matthew Hayden (11 centuries)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Minimum qualification: 30 innings

    Highest average: Don Bradman (2299 runs @ 104.50)
    Most runs: Allan Border (4,371 runs @ 54.63)
    Most centuries: Allan Border, Sunil Gavaskar, Matthew Hayden (11 centuries)
    Do you have a full list, or even a top 10/20?
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    Really interesting to look through. I knew it, but always find it funny how SWaugh averages just 32 in the second innings. He was only good/great in difficult situation in the first innings.

    Border's record is fantastic, what a man.

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    Pretty surprised to see Tendulkar and Lara are that far down on the list and how far up guys like Hayden and Kallis are. What with the whole "difficult conditions" perceptions people have with respect to these batsmen.
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    this is interesting, the reason i created this thread is that in second innings it is harder to bat then the first because mostly likley the pitch is old be then. This really shows some interesting results, Lara averages only 38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Pretty surprised to see Tendulkar and Lara are that far down on the list and how far up guys like Hayden and Kallis are. What with the whole "difficult conditions" perceptions people have with respect to these batsmen.
    There's no rule whatsoever about whether the first-innings is more or less difficult than the second-innings. Sometimes the first-innings will be much easier, sometimes slightly easier, sometimes there'll be for-all-intents-and-purposes no difference, sometimes the second-innings will be much easier, sometimes slightly easier. And each batsman's case will be different. There is no way any overall record means, well, anything much really.
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    Here's the corresponding first innings list:

    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    Interesting in light of NUFAN's comment about Steve Waugh.

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    I'll take a ton in the first innings over the second.
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    Bradman with a poor 1st innings average of 97 compared to his 104 in the 2nd Interesting that no fast bowler dominates the bowling list, I know two spinners are way ahead in terms of overall wickets but I would have thought McGrath or Walsh would have got them in the 1st innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    There's no rule whatsoever about whether the first-innings is more or less difficult than the second-innings. Sometimes the first-innings will be much easier, sometimes slightly easier, sometimes there'll be for-all-intents-and-purposes no difference, sometimes the second-innings will be much easier, sometimes slightly easier. And each batsman's case will be different. There is no way any overall record means, well, anything much really.
    Wow, this must be a record of consistent crap in the last few days. Keep goin' mate. Nevermind the fact that most bowlers average considerably better in the 3rd/4th innings than they do in the 1st/2nd innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Wow, this must be a record of consistent crap in the last few days. Keep goin' mate.
    Although he has played down the obvious difficulty of 4th innings batting, generally i think Rich is on point you know.

    Two perfect examples to come to mind from AUS test matches over the years that kind of back up his argument are: Antigua 2003 & Perth 2005. Where batting last was clearly easier than batting first in both of these tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Although he has played down the obvious difficulty of 4th innings batting, generally i think Rich is on point you know.

    Two perfect examples to come to mind from AUS test matches over the years that kind of back up his argument are: Antigua 2003 & Perth 2005. Where batting last was clearly easier than batting first in both of these tests.
    The fact that it occurs is not what I am disputing, but it still usually is pretty correct to say that bowling gets easier as the pitch ages. This is reflected in bowlers' stats - of which I just checked - especially so for spinners. And going through bowlers, none of them have such a lopsided 1st and 2nd match innings as some batsmen here do.

    The lopsidedness of Lara's innings record can't be explained away like that - so trying to is a bit dishonest.
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