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    Indian T20I selections- what's best?

    Looking at the performance of many Indian cricketers at different levels in T20, we find that the Indians are not playing well in T20. The IPL in South Africa was bad for the Indian players there, and then the unceremonious exit from the World T20 followed, and now they've struggled in the Champs League. Many of the batsmen struggle to launch the ball, and some of them tend to start grafting. The bowling options are not too bad, although none are as stingy as Mishra (and that helps his strike power a lot). Picking a T20-ready express pacer is a tough ask. Besides, many of India's best Test/ODI players are misfit in T20. On the contrary, the best T20 figures may belong to some unlikely folks. Some of them have barely played eleven matches.

    Who do you consider as India's best T20 players? What do you find best? Looking at IPL/Champs squads, these appear the best choices.

    Sehwag: Walks in for his batting alone. The stats speak for themselves, but his performance goes beyond that.

    Gambhir: He forms the other half of India's best current Test/ODI (shadow) opening combination. He's gone off the boil, starting this IPL, but he's a class player in T20 and cannot be counted out.

    Yuvraj: Six sixes off Stuart Broad. That's what made him famous. A very athletic, sharp fielder, but would do well to avoid bowling.

    Rohit Sharma: Not quite the one to lead the batting, as the World T20 showed, as he's better off merely supporting the better batsman. He is, however, the only T20 centurion among the best T20 players in India. Very useful on the field, but unstable with the ball and that is best avoided.

    Robin Uthappa: In good form in the Champs League, but not too long ago, was dreadful in the IPL. He's best fit for T20, but as some commentators suggested, he's often treated it as T5, given his tendency to throw his wicket away cheaply. Another livewire on the field.

    Dhoni: Currently India's captain in all forms of the game, but not the best T20 player at hand. His average is healthy at 35, but the strike rate isn't too inspiring. His international T20 strike rate is more healthy, but he's no Hodge. Decent behind the wickets, though.

    Yusuf Pathan: Not in good nick lately, and not one to get a century either, but one of the best for T20. He can strike a series of big blows, and is lethal against spinners, though his weakness against pace is well known. His bowling is very effective in T20, and can send down several cheap overs. Not the most agile on the field, but is a very good close-in catcher.

    Irfan Pathan: He may have fallen off the Test and ODI radar, but in T20, he's too useful to keep out. He strikes at a decent 125 and can hang around for a while. His bowling isn't economical, but he gets a rush of wickets and has often won games by bowling a tight last over.

    Amit Mishra: The best T20 bowler in India. Easily. Also very handy on the field and with the bat.

    RP Singh: The second-best T20 bowler in India, though it remains to be seen how he performs for a less stable batting side. May be found out against proper Test standard batsmen. Decent on the field but hopeless with the bat- even Cloud 9 can't fix it.

    Zaheer: Saves his best in T20 for international matches. Useful at the start and in the final overs. He's a much-improved fielder since the John Wright era.

    Suresh Raina: Smart nudger and pusher, but not one to hit the big shot easily. That opened up a weakness against the short ball in England. Very useful on the field.

    Harbhajan: Slightly-better-than-average T20 bowler, but strikes the ball hard at 135. A pity he keeps missing.

    Praveen Kumar: A very smart swing bowler who uses changes of pace to good effect. He can keep it tight most times, but there is the odd match when the batsman get stuck into him. His batting is another factor, at a strike rate at 125. He sometimes has a goofy moment on the field.

    Nehra: Had a good IPL and has been in good form since, though he has hardly played T20 cricket until now. May be suspect on the field, and of no use with the bat.

    Dinesh Karthik: Largely a struggler in T20, he's had an upswing lately, and hit three sixes off the much-fancied Mendis in one match. Suspect behind the stumps, but is one of the faster wicketkeepers to choose, and better there than in the outfield.

    Pragyan Ojha: Stingy left-arm spinner, but not useful otherwise.

    Here come the unusual suspects

    Akhil: This little-known seam-up bowler from Bangalore is a rahter under-rated T20 player. He's got a stingy economy rate of 6.75, but hasn't taken too many wickets. His batting strike rate, at 147, is remarkable. He hasn't had much to do on the field, but is a little better than average.

    Saurabh Tiwary : Often irresponsible while batting in T20, he's one of the bigger hitters to choose. He strikes close to 160, with a decent average of 25, but is a rather inexperienced player, and is only 19, not quite an age to get in T20.

    Manish Pandey: He scored a century (possibly only the second by an Indian) at age 19 in South Africa, so he's got it ahead of some more illustrious players. But then, he's only 19, and has some way to go.

    Shadab Jakati: He had a few decent matches but eventually was phased out by the Super Kings. A bit disappointing, as his batting strike rate (135), batting and bowling averages (both a little over 17) and bowling strike rate over 15 make good stats. A better bet than the three left-arm spinners who have represented India in T20.

    Rajat Bhatia: The definite surprise package. Labelled as a part-time seam-up bowler, he's repeatedly scalped several wickets cheaply, though he goes for a few in that odd match, which offsets his stats. His batting, strangely, hasn't clicked in T20.
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    That post really enlightened me thanks.

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    next year ipl will through more players,who will be selected directly in to odis not t20 with out any form or performance in domestic cricket.


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    Looking at these three performances, perhaps the key lies in former ICL players:
    - Love Ablish: 5/20 off 4 overs
    - TP Singh: 34 off 28
    - Mihir Diwakar: 5/6 off 3.1 overs
    The speed at which a fielding team gets through the innings is overrated.

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    ICL players have done well initially, but non-ICL fringe players still dominate. One name that stands out is Niraj Patel from Gujarat. He's got a healthy average over 48, and strikes at 125. Jharkhand skip Tiwary is doing well, but the big hits have eluded him. Yusuf Pathan is still boss, but one surprise package this year is Wasim Jaffer.

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    abandon this bastardised, crap-shoot that masquerades itself as a progeny of cricket, that would be best...
    Last edited by Anil; 25-10-2009 at 11:10 AM.

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    Thought I'd get this back up after the Indian T20I selection, before the first match. The current selection has a few capital bloopers, notably picking Ishant, Sreesanth, Dinda and Tyagi- all T20 misfits. Ishant has decent strike bowler potential and is more or less an established bowler until now, but the rest don't fit in at all.

    Ablish from Punjab has excellent T20 stats, but does he cut it as a bowler? We don't know. He's a small man, which is a disincentive these days. Besides, he's only medium-pace. His teammate from Punjab, Gony, can do more. He's got a decent strike rate, and can also score quick runs lower down- his all-round stats are quite impressive. He should be selected as a T20I specialist. Likewise, the now-discarded Joginder Sharma, with a decent bowling strike rate under 20 and a batting strike rate over 140, may have a shout, though he's down the pecking order. Among other discarded players, Mishra, Irfan and RP Singh should have a shout.

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    Too early to label Mishra as 'discarded'. I will rage hard if he doesn't play another test soon.

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    There's not much T20 cricket played by Indian domestic players, especially those outside of the IPL. Some non-IPL players, such as Luv Ablish and JT Billa (medium-pacer from Haryana), have had no more than 15 matches. Moreover, those two names are actually the best medium-pacers in India for T20s- ideally, both walk into the Indian team easily, but they're not in the selectors' options- more illustrious, but less effective ones seem to get ahead. Is there something beyond these figures?

    Another unusual feature is that a lot of the best bowlers, among the more experienced and famous ones, happen to be spinners. You've got Amit Mishra, Ravi Ashwin, Pragyan Ojha and Piyush Chawla, to name a few. You'll have to dig deeper to pick top T20 seamers, and we find that players picked on what they've done in Tests and ODIs come ahead of them. In fact, seam over spin is the logic for the selectors. Maybe it's time to reverse it?

    Looking at the points tables and the pre-quarter and quarter lineups, the table leaders in some zones happen to be weaker teams in other formats- Jharkhand and Assam are on top in East Zone, though Bengal is the strongest team while Assam are second-division strugglers. In the North Zone, you'll find Himachal Pradesh, a middle-of-table Elite team promoted recently, second to Delhi. Maharashtra is second to Mumbai in West, while the Central team has the ageing Railways team, with Madhya Pradesh (the stronger UP is behind), making the next stage. We don't need to look into South Zone figures as most games were washed out. Looking into those teams' figures, you'll find even more surprises- former Mumbai batsman Vinit Indulkar, seamer Anand Rajan, seamer Jitender Billa, offie all-rounder Ganesh Gaikwad, young batsmen Khadiwale and Kedar Jadhav are the top performers here.All of them are unknown names. Will lesser teams (elsewhere) be the key for T20I selections?

    The answer may be in March 2010, when the knockouts for the SMA Trophy begin. It may be a walk in the park for stronger teams like Mumbai and Tamil Nadu, who are in better shape than the next best teams that didn't make it. Maybe there is something beyond the figures, after all.

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    I think Rajat Bhatia should get a go sometime in the near future, to me he's like a higher quality version of James Hopes, lol. Never liked Nehra & RP Singh because they dish up too many four-balls and high quality batsmen really cash in on this. Raina needs an extended run at 3 in the international T20 side. He's shown how consistent he is there in the IPL. I know Dhoni has an absolutely unvelievable record batting at 3/4 in ODI's but in T20's he s better staying at number 6 because Raina, Yuvraj & Sharma all know their T20 games extremely well at each of their respective batting positions. If the middle order happens to collapse then he's stationed at 6 to do his job with Yusuf & Jadeja to follow. Of course there still may still be the odd exception, say when your chasing excess of 200, lol

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    Bhatia bowls low 70s though (IIRC, from Duleep highlights a few years back). He'll get demolished at international level. And he's not a top-order international class bat.

    Nayar came and went quickly and there's no real evidence Bhatia would be any better.

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    He looked impressive in the IPL but I guess we'll see how he goes in the next one. I thought Nayar was fast tracked personally he hadn't done enough to earn his selection

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    A lot of this here is a classic 'grass is greener' situation. These players are performing well (or fairly averagely, in some cases) in domestic cricket, which is of a very average standard, played frequently on absolute roads that allow poor techniques to survive and against bowling attacks where 85mph is considered rapid. I'm not saying these players aren't good enough, but unless they're constantly destroying domestic sides, there's no way they should be looked at as alternatives to the tried and tested status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo View Post
    Bhatia bowls low 70s though (IIRC, from Duleep highlights a few years back).
    If that, from what I saw.

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