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'Stats' is not a synonym for 'Career Test Averages'
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There's no doubt that someone can "pick up" a feeling of, well, some sort of negative (be it panic, disappointment, worry, fret etc.) from someone else but equally how much one does that is as unique to the individual as how much one feels pressure on one's own.
I really don't think there's any way you can quantify "the team is under pressure".
It also punishes some teams. For example, I am 100% sure that if India had Australia's attack during the 90s (or even an average attack) and most of this decade, many the matches that were draws would have been wins for India.... Conversely, all of Bangladeshi centuries, for example, would count, even though many of those matches would be a draw if they were a better team.
Either way, it's not the batsmen doing anything different.
The only way to check would be to look at the pitch itself and make a determination on whether there was any chance of a draw at all. But looking at how few draws the Aussie side participated in, it tells you a lot of what you need to know about that.
All these posts tell you is that sweeping generalisations are always going to have plenty of imperfections, and will allow very fair objections to be made when you're trying to use them to prove something.
Have decided to go with a "pressure average" for batsmen and bowlers as part of my analysis of Test Players.
What forced my hand is having Ken Barrington at no.9 in my alltime test batsmen list, when I have the feeling he scored so many runs in bore draws and large wins.
New criteria: batsmen
a) Team lost the match
b) Team won the match by 99 runs or less/5 wickets or less. If they won by more, then the match can still be defined as a pressure match if they were behind on the first innings.
c) Drew the match after following on (can someone find where a list of matches where this happens is on the internet. Cricinfo doesn't have that list. Would be very useful). Hanif Mohammad played the most famous innings in this criteria.
d) Drew the match after being 100 or more runs behind on the first innings. Ponting at Manchester comes to mind here.
e) Drew the match when only 3 or less wickets were needed for a result. Again, Manchester 2005 or Cardiff 2009.
New criteria: bowlers
a) Team lost the match
b) Team won the match by 99 runs or less/5 wickets or less. If they won by more, then the match can still be defined as a pressure match if they were behind by 100 runs or more on the first innings.
c) All draws. I figure that for bowlers, draws are where bowling conditions are on the whole the most difficult since not enough wickets can be taken to force a result.
Let me know what you think.
It is goign to be madness looking at every single win or draw in a team's history, but so be it. A little craziness never hurt anyone.
Last edited by Days of Grace; 21-10-2009 at 12:35 AM.
What about drawing the match due to weather, or maybe only a day was available, instead of, say, two and a half days.
Also, in a draw, the bowlers could just be on a team with other crappy bowlers and thus unable to get a win. E.g, India. If the other team is up by, say 250+ runs after the first innings, there is really almost no pressure on the bowlers, the game is gone anyway.
Last edited by silentstriker; 20-10-2009 at 10:25 PM.
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Tests Won Lost Drawn Winning %
Follow-on enforced 260 198 3 59 73.88
This was in Aug 2004, so there is 59 matches where a draw is the result after enforcing the follow on.
From this website Follow-on: to enforce or not
I think the pressure average for batsmen is worth researching.
However, I want to get your opinion on whether a games won average is better for bowlers, since bowlers win test matches on the most part.
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