Young Players

Andre · 12-03-2002, 12:55 AM

Who are the up-and-coming young players around the world.
In Australia, the best of the crop is
Shane Watson: already selected at national level, many suggest he will be our best allrounder since keith miller
Cameron White: Good allrounder, but at the moment bowles his leggies to quickly to trouble the selectors
Nathan Hauritz: Best offie Australia has produced since Ashley Mallet - enough said
Michael Clarke: Only a matter of tme before he takes the next step up
Others include James Hopes, Xavier Doherty, Scoot Meuleman, Sean Clingeleffer and Paul Rofe

James · 12-03-2002, 01:15 AM

New Zealand is probably:

* Butler - already seen in the international game but is still very raw. Hadlee does like the look of him though
* McCullum - future wicketkeeper for New Zealand. Talk of him being wicketkeeper at next years world cup.
* Papps - up and coming top order batsman. Making lots of runs in domestic cricket
* Pasupati - very talented cricketer. In the Adams mold really. Future one-day player.
* Cornelius - useful cricketer. In his first season but is impressing a lot of people.

I can't think of anyone else at the moment.

12-03-2002, 10:55 AM

England have got a few.

Mark Wagh (no, not Waugh)
Alex Tudor
Matthew Hoggard
Ryan Sidebottom
James Ormond
Martin Lumb

I know they ain't as good as Australia's or New Zealand's, but they're O.K.

davidvegeta24 · 12-03-2002, 11:50 AM

pasupati!!

Top_Cat · 12-03-2002, 03:45 PM

Another Aussie newcomer who I think will make a big mark and is earmarked for bigger things is a guy from Tassie called Shannon Tubb. If the Aussie selectors take a bit of a risk with him, we'll have a world-class left-arm chinaman bowler.

Mitchell Johnson from Queensland apparently is rated quicker than Brett Lee was at the same age. He's injury-prone, though. Apparently off 5 paces with stress fractures in his back just rolling his arm over, he got clocked at 138km/h. Now that's quick!

And I agree with Andre's other; Shane Watson looks pretty bloody good but comparing him to Keith Miller is a bit unfair. He's much more technically correct with the bat and way more consistent with the ball. He may not be as explosive but give him time and I reckon he'll make Miller's record look pretty orinary in comparison.

Nathan Hauritz looks like a good offie. The accuracy of a Glenn Mcgrath with the turn of Tim May. That's gotta help! Plus, Xavier Doherty gives the ball a decent rip and flights it a lot. He's a pretty attacking bowler.

As a guy who's played against Paul Rofe, I can tell you this guy can BOWL. Give it time when he steps up in pace a little and he'll have as meteoric a rise as Jason Gillespie. Similarly built (maybe even thinner.......), similar in pace at the same stage in their careers with a similar trajectory, he'll be an Aussieplayer soon I'm sure.

Tim · 13-03-2002, 03:45 PM

I'll disagree with Pasupati & Papps, I don't think Pasupati will play for NZ and Papps has made some good runs but has been poor in between.

The top guys coming through are:

Brent Hefford
Rob Nicol
Brendon McCullum

I can't really see too many others at the moment, Warren McSkimming is good, but he's injured at the moment.

davidvegeta24 · 16-03-2002, 09:57 PM

i would never agree with pasupati butler is in fine form

James · 16-03-2002, 10:54 PM

I think we will see him in the NZ side in a couple of years. I think he really is a very talented cricketer.

Butler! Yeah right he's in form

! The selectors call him fast yet he doesn't even reach 135k!

Neil Pickup · 17-03-2002, 02:44 PM

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England have got a few.

Mark Wagh (no, not Waugh)
Alex Tudor
Matthew Hoggard
Ryan Sidebottom
James Ormond
Martin Lumb

I know they ain't as good as Australia's or New Zealand's, but they're O.K.

Ian Bell (for some reason he got a Test call up today...), Pratt of Durham, and a lot of players with names which aren't English. I managed to get the score cards mixed up in the England-WI test U19 this summer. Ah Well...

And watch Nepal for outsiders to reach a World Cup by 2010. Wonder what I could get on that?

marc71178 · 18-03-2002, 01:13 AM

Bell got a call up because the selector's are finally realising that the likes of Afzaal, Ward and Crawley etc. will not make it, so they're going for the next generation, and as he's only 19, but was in the top 15 averages in England last summer, they're giving him a go - don't think he'll actually play in a Test though.

Neil Pickup · 18-03-2002, 12:47 PM

I think it's great that the youngsters are getting their chances... but I do believe that the selectors should take more notice of the county game when they pick the teams. Fulton hit four 200s last season and in 1999 Rob Turner averaged 58.5 and kept wicket for Somerset. But not even 'A' tours...

If they played for Surrey they'd have 30 caps each by now.

marc71178 · 19-03-2002, 01:15 AM

I'd have to disagree there - Turner will always be behind Stewart as Stewart is a proven performer at the highest level, and that was Fulton's first decent season ever, and he's now 30 - there's no way he IMO deserves a call-up at that age ahead of an up and coming batsman described by onlookers at the World Cup as the best player in that age band in a generation.

Neil Pickup · 19-03-2002, 12:25 PM

I think players should be picked on form more, having someone with their 'eye in' who is in the form of their life is surely better than someone 'better' who's out of form.

And Stewart hasn't produced the goods with the bat for some time now!

davidvegeta24 · 19-03-2002, 12:54 PM

yeah but james i never said he was fast

marc71178 · 19-03-2002, 02:05 PM

Neil,

Class is permanent, form is temporary.

12-03-2002, 12:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Andre International Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 3,112	Young Players Who are the up-and-coming young players around the world. In Australia, the best of the crop is Shane Watson: already selected at national level, many suggest he will be our best allrounder since keith miller Cameron White: Good allrounder, but at the moment bowles his leggies to quickly to trouble the selectors Nathan Hauritz: Best offie Australia has produced since Ashley Mallet - enough said Michael Clarke: Only a matter of tme before he takes the next step up Others include James Hopes, Xavier Doherty, Scoot Meuleman, Sean Clingeleffer and Paul Rofe

12-03-2002, 01:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
James Cricket Web Owner Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 22,290	New Zealand is probably: * Butler - already seen in the international game but is still very raw. Hadlee does like the look of him though * McCullum - future wicketkeeper for New Zealand. Talk of him being wicketkeeper at next years world cup. * Papps - up and coming top order batsman. Making lots of runs in domestic cricket * Pasupati - very talented cricketer. In the Adams mold really. Future one-day player. * Cornelius - useful cricketer. In his first season but is impressing a lot of people. I can't think of anyone else at the moment. __________________ Follow Cricket Web on Facebook Follow Cricket Web on Twitter Email - james.nixon@cricketweb.net Moderators - moderators@cricketweb.net (will go to all moderators) Skype - nixonja@hotmail.com Google Talk/Facebook - cricketweb@gmail.com

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Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,186	Another Aussie newcomer who I think will make a big mark and is earmarked for bigger things is a guy from Tassie called Shannon Tubb. If the Aussie selectors take a bit of a risk with him, we'll have a world-class left-arm chinaman bowler. Mitchell Johnson from Queensland apparently is rated quicker than Brett Lee was at the same age. He's injury-prone, though. Apparently off 5 paces with stress fractures in his back just rolling his arm over, he got clocked at 138km/h. Now that's quick! And I agree with Andre's other; Shane Watson looks pretty bloody good but comparing him to Keith Miller is a bit unfair. He's much more technically correct with the bat and way more consistent with the ball. He may not be as explosive but give him time and I reckon he'll make Miller's record look pretty orinary in comparison. Nathan Hauritz looks like a good offie. The accuracy of a Glenn Mcgrath with the turn of Tim May. That's gotta help! Plus, Xavier Doherty gives the ball a decent rip and flights it a lot. He's a pretty attacking bowler. As a guy who's played against Paul Rofe, I can tell you this guy can BOWL. Give it time when he steps up in pace a little and he'll have as meteoric a rise as Jason Gillespie. Similarly built (maybe even thinner.......), similar in pace at the same stage in their careers with a similar trajectory, he'll be an Aussieplayer soon I'm sure. __________________ Check out my bands! The Colourphonics http://www.youtube.com/user/TheColourphonics http://twitter.com/colourphonics Candice and The Arcade Villains http://triplejunearthed.com.au/Candi...ArcadeVillains

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marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,343	Bell got a call up because the selector's are finally realising that the likes of Afzaal, Ward and Crawley etc. will not make it, so they're going for the next generation, and as he's only 19, but was in the top 15 averages in England last summer, they're giving him a go - don't think he'll actually play in a Test though. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

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12-03-2002, 10:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	England have got a few. Mark Wagh (no, not Waugh) Alex Tudor Matthew Hoggard Ryan Sidebottom James Ormond Martin Lumb I know they ain't as good as Australia's or New Zealand's, but they're O.K.

12-03-2002, 11:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
davidvegeta24 School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 50	pasupati!!

13-03-2002, 03:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	I'll disagree with Pasupati & Papps, I don't think Pasupati will play for NZ and Papps has made some good runs but has been poor in between. The top guys coming through are: Brent Hefford Rob Nicol Brendon McCullum I can't really see too many others at the moment, Warren McSkimming is good, but he's injured at the moment.

16-03-2002, 09:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
davidvegeta24 School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 50	i would never agree with pasupati butler is in fine form

16-03-2002, 10:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
James Cricket Web Owner Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 22,290	I think we will see him in the NZ side in a couple of years. I think he really is a very talented cricketer. Butler! Yeah right he's in form ! The selectors call him fast yet he doesn't even reach 135k!

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Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	I think it's great that the youngsters are getting their chances... but I do believe that the selectors should take more notice of the county game when they pick the teams. Fulton hit four 200s last season and in 1999 Rob Turner averaged 58.5 and kept wicket for Somerset. But not even 'A' tours... If they played for Surrey they'd have 30 caps each by now.

19-03-2002, 01:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,343	I'd have to disagree there - Turner will always be behind Stewart as Stewart is a proven performer at the highest level, and that was Fulton's first decent season ever, and he's now 30 - there's no way he IMO deserves a call-up at that age ahead of an up and coming batsman described by onlookers at the World Cup as the best player in that age band in a generation.

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Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	I think players should be picked on form more, having someone with their 'eye in' who is in the form of their life is surely better than someone 'better' who's out of form. And Stewart hasn't produced the goods with the bat for some time now!

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davidvegeta24 School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 50	yeah but james i never said he was fast

19-03-2002, 02:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,343	Neil, Class is permanent, form is temporary.

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