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  • Murali being called for throwing (1st time Mr Hair)

    1 1.20%
  • Bodyline (Mr Jardine)

    4 4.82%
  • Betting Scancal (Mr Cronje)

    51 61.45%
  • Underarm (Mr Chappell)

    17 20.48%
  • Pakistan walk off (Mr Hair and Mr Potato)

    5 6.02%
  • Roger crying at the Aust. Open (Mr Federer)

    5 6.02%
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    The Biggest Disgrace?

    Which one was the biggest disgrace in cricket history?

    Two involve Mr Hair
    You know it makes sense.

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    Match Fixing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    Match Fixing.
    That would be the betting scandal

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    Has to be the betting scandal. Bodyline and underarm are examples of competitive cricketers arguably going a bit too far in trying to win, whereas the betting scandal was completely against everything that sport should be about. The Pakistani walk-off and Murali "chucking" scandal did nowhere near the damage to the sport than Cronje and co. did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Has to be the betting scandal. Bodyline and underarm are examples of competitive cricketers arguably going a bit too far in trying to win, whereas the betting scandal was completely against everything that sport should be about. The Pakistani walk-off and Murali "chucking" scandal did nowhere near the damage to the sport than Cronje and co. did.
    so much AWTA in this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Has to be the betting scandal. Bodyline and underarm are examples of competitive cricketers arguably going a bit too far in trying to win, whereas the betting scandal was completely against everything that sport should be about. The Pakistani walk-off and Murali "chucking" scandal did nowhere near the damage to the sport than Cronje and co. did.
    Completely AWTA

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    Out of those choices it's obviously the Cronje affair. Had "Derek Pringle playing International Cricket" been one of the options that would have got my vote.

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    Hate to sound like a broken record, but I'd like to know why those who voted for underarm went for that over Bodyline. Am still yet to see any real difference between the two, other than that one was sustained for a series of games and involved the threat of real physical harm to the batsman.

    But yeah, as others have said, has to be the match fixing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Hate to sound like a broken record, but I'd like to know why those who voted for underarm went for that over Bodyline. Am still yet to see any real difference between the two, other than that one was sustained for a series of games and involved the threat of real physical harm to the batsman.

    But yeah, as others have said, has to be the match fixing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Hate to sound like a broken record, but I'd like to know why those who voted for underarm went for that over Bodyline. Am still yet to see any real difference between the two, other than that one was sustained for a series of games and involved the threat of real physical harm to the batsman.
    It's hard to define "sneaky" behaviour. It's a bit like an elephant: easier to recognise than to define. But I'm pretty confident that most cricket supporters, including Australians, would regard the underarm incident as sneaky. And that, I think, is why cricket supporters don't like it. Bodyline might be wrong for many reasons but it wasn't sneaky.

    I think the more valid comparison is between Bodyline and the pace barrage of Lillee and Thomson ("I enjoy hitting a batsman more than getting him out. I like to see blood on the pitch") in the mid-1970s.

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    I think how one measures "biggest" is crucial here. My own personal opinion is that Cronje's exploits are the most nefarious; the least one should be able to expect of any sporting event is that both sides are trying to win, without that we're into the realms of scripted sportainment. All well and good if the punters know the deal up front and are cool with it (i.e. pro-wrestling), but a fraud on the paying public if recondite.

    However, in terms of cultural impact and significance, it has to be Bodyline. Seriously threatened diplomatic relations between GB & Oz and over 75 years later and we still debate its aftermath very keenly.
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    Although it was 'only' a county game, I tend to think of Brian Rose's declaration after one over of a B & H game (read about it here) as more blameworthy than the underarm incident - not least because of the way he tried to defend it afterwards. Showed complete contempt for the paying spectators, for the opposition and the game itself.

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    ..... but it wasn't as if he didn't say what he was going to do in advance - why they couldn't have just started another "friendly" game after the nonsense is beyond me - IMO the TCCB were at least as much at fault as Rose

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