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    Quote Originally Posted by nzidol
    Flintoff is now a top-draw world class allrounder, for me it has been his bowling which has been the greatest revelation. He is decidedly more pacy than I ever imagined.
    He's been capable of 90mph since 2000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    However, Flintoff being Flintoff, will successfully manage to injure himself before the Ashes. I'm tipping torn hamstring, groin, ankle, hernia, back, shoulder, a broken hand or finger/s.

    I find it strange how many niggles and injuries he seems to pick up.
    If him and harmison become injured for the ashes i will drink myself into a 3 month coma.
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    Wouldn't put it pass England's key players some how managing to get themselves to get injured.

    What it is with injuries to key English player and coming up against Australia I have no idea.
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    I think the last series was an exceptionally unlucky run to be honest.
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    Yet it's happened in at least 2 other Ashes series.
    For no apparent reason, it so often happens before Ashes series. Even in the instances where there's been no epidemic (a la 2001, 2002\03 and 1994\95) there've still been more problems than you'd hope for (1998\99).
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    Right now, i don't think anyone can really say Flintoff and Harmison aren't any good. Flintoff is one of the best batters going around right now, and his bowlings not going that bad, and Harmison is the number 1 ranked bowler in the world.

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    You would think so, yet cricket to some people isn't that black and white.

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    Well it's not only the stats, watching them play you will see that they are very good players.

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    Or rather you will see that most of their wickets come from poor strokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Or rather you will see that most of their wickets come from poor strokes.
    Well to be fair good strokes rarely get a batsmen out, merely the "wrong" stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Or rather you will see that most of their wickets come from poor strokes.
    I think if we sat back and analisyed every single wicket Shane Warne has taken, and whether they were bad strokes or not, and discredited them, he would probably have less then 50.

    I mean how on earth do you define a good or bad stroke to a ball when you have less then one second to play a shot when facing a quick bowler?

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    There are only two types of strokes....Good and Bad. If it fetches you runs, it is a good stroke and if it gets you out, it is a bad stroke. So if you take away all the wickets that were taken with bad strokes, no one would have any wickets.
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    If a batsmen plays a wrong or bad shot, it's usually because the bowler has forced indecision. Harmison is a very good bowler and I don't see why you wouldn't think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani
    There are only two types of strokes....Good and Bad. If it fetches you runs, it is a good stroke and if it gets you out, it is a bad stroke. So if you take away all the wickets that were taken with bad strokes, no one would have any wickets.
    Not all wickets come exclusively from bad strokes, y'know!
    And certainly not all run-getting strokes are good ones! There's nothing good about an arial edge to the third-man boundary!
    Anyway, it's beside the point - nothing wrong with a spell of 6 wickets where 2 were good balls and 4 poor strokes - but there is wrong with a 7-12 with not a single good ball. Or any other good set of figures where not a single good ball has taken a wicket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twctopcat
    Well to be fair good strokes rarely get a batsmen out, merely the "wrong" stroke.
    No, they rarely do - they do occasionally, though. Sometimes wickets occur where the batsman has done all he could realistically be expected to to avoid dismissal.
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