The Importance of Ponting and Hayden

GIMH · 31-08-2009, 03:03 PM

Cricket Web - Features: The importance of Ponting and Hayden

Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne are usually cited as the key figures in Australia's now ended era of Test dominance but in their own way Matthew Hayden and Ricky Ponting were equally as significant.

by Marco Trevisiol

Lillian Thomson · 31-08-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

Marco Trevisiol

Who's he?

GIMH · 31-08-2009, 03:09 PM

One of our features team, doesn't really post on the forums

Ikki · 31-08-2009, 03:48 PM

Good article, thanks. Great stat that: 30 games, 25 wins, 5 draws and 0 losses when Warne, McGrath, Ponting and Hayden played together.

GIMH · 31-08-2009, 03:52 PM

I thought you'd enjoy this one mate

BoyBrumby · 31-08-2009, 03:53 PM

Think the jury's still out on Ponting's loss of form as to whether it's merely a dip or an actual decline. Still only 34, despite having been around since Adam was a lad. Hayden was approximately the same age after the 2005 Ashes and he turned around what looked like a terminal decline to be the most effective opener for another couple of years.

Interesting read anyway; Marco has a nice concise style of writing.

subshakerz · 31-08-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikki

Good article, thanks. Great stat that: 30 games, 25 wins, 5 draws and 0 losses when Warne, McGrath, Ponting and Hayden played together.

That last 30 games when they played together. I recall them losing in India in 2001.

bullseye · 31-08-2009, 09:02 PM

Their are actually five Prominent figures that played a leading role in Australia's dominance in the recent past.

They are :

Batting : Hayden, Ponting and Gilchrist.

Bowling: McGraw and Warne.

If you look at the performance either one or more of these guys won the day for Australia.

Australia'a present dip is result of the vacuum created by Hayden, Gilchrist, McGraw and Warne. It will take sometme to fill the gap.

Also Ponting despite being a brilliant batsman may not have been in the same class as Steve Waugh.

trapol · 31-08-2009, 10:40 PM

^^^^^^ WHAT????^^^^^^

That has to be one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Yes i know people are entitled to their opinion but come on.

You are quite possibly talking about the greatest batsman ever here and whilst Waugh was fantastic as well when Pontings record is all said and done it will never be beaten

Conspiracy theory here: Tendulkar will keep playing as long as he can so that Ponting will not take the centuries/most runs records off him

It does irk me that Ponting doesnt get the respect he deserves purely/possibly because he acts like a chop on the field at times

bullseye · 31-08-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by trapol

^^^^^^ WHAT????^^^^^^

That has to be one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Yes i know people are entitled to their opinion but come on.

You are quite possibly talking about the greatest batsman ever here and whilst Waugh was fantastic as well when Pontings record is all said and done it will never be beaten

Conspiracy theory here: Tendulkar will keep playing as long as he can so that Ponting will not take the centuries/most runs records off him

It does irk me that Ponting doesnt get the respect he deserves purely/possibly because he acts like a chop on the field at times

Ponting does have an enviable record as a Captain . But recent losses against South Africa and England has dented his record and a question mark has been asked by a few Ex Australians if he is now the right choice of Captain in tests. They are actually thinking of Simon Katich who is believed to be tough customer .I don't think under Waugh Australia ever dipped as low as 4th in ICC ranking which is their current status and which is unimaginiable.

BTW I am a fan of Ponti. But one has to accept reality. Their is no respite from that.

trapol · 01-09-2009, 12:17 AM

captaincy yes is a different story, Personally i dont believe he has been a good captain at any stage. A blind man could captain a team with Warne/McGrath in it especially when, as mentioned in this thread, you add all time greats like Hayden/Gilchrist and so on...

But as a player purely he is phenominal...

Uppercut · 01-09-2009, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Think the jury's still out on Ponting's loss of form as to whether it's merely a dip or an actual decline. Still only 34, despite having been around since Adam was a lad. Hayden was approximately the same age after the 2005 Ashes and he turned around what looked like a terminal decline to be the most effective opener for another couple of years.

Interesting read anyway; Marco has a nice concise style of writing.

I think the pressure of captaincy is affecting his batting now that he's managing a much younger team in the field. Sometimes he just doesn't seem mentally there to me, like in the first innings at the Oval.

Zinzan · 01-09-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by trapol

^^^^^^ WHAT????^^^^^^

That has to be one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Yes i know people are entitled to their opinion but come on.

You are quite possibly talking about the greatest batsman ever here and whilst Waugh was fantastic as well when Pontings record is all said and done it will never be beaten

Conspiracy theory here: Tendulkar will keep playing as long as he can so that Ponting will not take the centuries/most runs records off him

It does irk me that Ponting doesnt get the respect he deserves purely/possibly because he acts like a chop on the field at times

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, possibly the greatest batsman ever? Not stretching the true a little here are you ?

bullseye · 01-09-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by trapol

captaincy yes is a different story, Personally i dont believe he has been a good captain at any stage. A blind man could captain a team with Warne/McGrath in it especially when, as mentioned in this thread, you add all time greats like Hayden/Gilchrist and so on...

But as a player purely he is phenominal...

He is certainly one of the greatest batsman of all time.

His one man demolition of the Indian Bowling attack in the 2003 World Cup Final is one of the all time Batting classic.

_Chandan · 01-09-2009, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by trapol

^^^^^^ WHAT????^^^^^^

That has to be one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Yes i know people are entitled to their opinion but come on.

You are quite possibly talking about the greatest batsman ever here and whilst Waugh was fantastic as well when Pontings record is all said and done it will never be beaten

Sorry. I don't agree with your statement about possibly the greatest batsman ever. He is not even third best in Australia alone!

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Ikki International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Death Queen Island Posts: 12,046	Good article, thanks. Great stat that: 30 games, 25 wins, 5 draws and 0 losses when Warne, McGrath, Ponting and Hayden played together. __________________ I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh [Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran [Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever. And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,637	Think the jury's still out on Ponting's loss of form as to whether it's merely a dip or an actual decline. Still only 34, despite having been around since Adam was a lad. Hayden was approximately the same age after the 2005 Ashes and he turned around what looked like a terminal decline to be the most effective opener for another couple of years. Interesting read anyway; Marco has a nice concise style of writing. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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bullseye School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 142	Their are actually five Prominent figures that played a leading role in Australia's dominance in the recent past. They are : Batting : Hayden, Ponting and Gilchrist. Bowling: McGraw and Warne. If you look at the performance either one or more of these guys won the day for Australia. Australia'a present dip is result of the vacuum created by Hayden, Gilchrist, McGraw and Warne. It will take sometme to fill the gap. Also Ponting despite being a brilliant batsman may not have been in the same class as Steve Waugh.

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trapol U19 12th Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london Posts: 206	^^^^^^ WHAT????^^^^^^ That has to be one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Yes i know people are entitled to their opinion but come on. You are quite possibly talking about the greatest batsman ever here and whilst Waugh was fantastic as well when Pontings record is all said and done it will never be beaten Conspiracy theory here: Tendulkar will keep playing as long as he can so that Ponting will not take the centuries/most runs records off him It does irk me that Ponting doesnt get the respect he deserves purely/possibly because he acts like a chop on the field at times

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trapol U19 12th Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london Posts: 206	captaincy yes is a different story, Personally i dont believe he has been a good captain at any stage. A blind man could captain a team with Warne/McGrath in it especially when, as mentioned in this thread, you add all time greats like Hayden/Gilchrist and so on... But as a player purely he is phenominal...

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