*Official* Australia in England T20s and ODIs

[Marcuss]

Oh fair enough, only looked at List A games as that's what I thought you were referring to. Apologies.

[Scaly piscine]

Yea Blackwell has been awesome in FC cricket this season. He was poor with the bat in the limited overs stuff but did better when he opened.

[BoyBrumby]

Still probably a better limited overs option than Rashid at this stage. Not a huge turner of the ball, but incredibly accurate.

Not sure someone with his waist measurement will find a spot in the new, lean, mean, shyte but skinny England set up either. Although as far as I know he's never actually failed any fitness tests like Sammy.

One of those lardos-in-denial tho, isn't he? Once said he'd have to cut off a limb to make sixteen stone. Well, that or eat less, eh, tubby?

[King Pietersen]

Even if Fats Patel had got off the pies he wouldn't be in contention for an England place. Had a pretty abysmal season. With the bat he averaged 20 in the FP Trophy, 24 in the Pro40, 21 in the T20 cup and 30 in the Championship. Top score of 95 all season. Not done too much better with the ball in any competition bar the FP Trophy either. Averaged 17 with the ball in that competition, but 61 in the Championship, 50 in the Pro40 and 29 in the T20 cup. That's a pretty terrible season for old Fats.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by GingerFurball

Highest strike rates in List A Cricket in England this season:

SM Davies - 116.17
C Kieswetter - 96.91
P Mustard - 85.87

86 clearly faster than 116.

Davies, as well as scoring his runs significantly quicker than both Kieswetter and Mustard, has also scored more runs at a better average than his competitors.

edit: one more thing in favour of Davies. He's scored just 3 sixes all season, far less than Kieswetter (10) and Mustard (12), yet has a strike rate which is massively superior. This would suggest 2 things - that Davies is adept at finding gaps in the field without risking going aerial (he's scored far more 4s than both Kiewsetter and Mustard), and he's adept at rotating the strike - something England's top order are crying out for.

When it coming to judging players in our OD domestic tournament, you really can't look at stats TBH. The gab in quality is so big as you would know, you really have to look at vague instances where these players may be in international standard situations to judge them.

Blokes like Ali Brown & Mal Loye, Maddy woud score at near run a ball in domestic cricket & not be able to replicate that at international level for obvious reasons.

I dont have a problem with Davies opening. But given the dynamics of our ODI middle-order i'm not sure if Davies really can be that Trescothick force as an opener againts international attacks. Thats why i would work with Denly along with Strauss & let Prior bat @ 7.

If things dont work out with Denly & Prior doesn't replicate his test form @ 7 in ODIs in the coming months. Kiewsetter when he qualifies i reckon has the over game to be a quality keeper/bat ODI opener that we are looking for.

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by aussie

When it coming to judging players in our OD domestic tournament, you really can't look at stats TBH. The gab in quality is so big as you would know, you really have to look at vague instances where these players may be in international standard situations to judge them.

Blokes like Ali Brown & Mal Loye, Maddy woud score at near run a ball in domestic cricket & not be able to replicate that at international level for obvious reasons.

I dont have a problem with Davies opening. But given the dynamics of our ODI middle-order i'm not sure if Davies really can be that Trescothick force as an opener againts international attacks. Thats why i would work with Denly along with Strauss & let Prior bat @ 7.

If things dont work out with Denly & Prior doesn't replicate his test form @ 7 in ODIs in the coming months. Kiewsetter when he qualifies i reckon has the over game to be a quality keeper/bat ODI opener that we are looking for.

You're again missing the point that Prior is garbage. He's been tried up and down the order, he's just **** and should have been gone ages ago. There's no ifs or buts about it.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

You're again missing the point that Prior is garbage. He's been tried up and down the order, he's just **** and should have been gone ages ago. There's no ifs or buts about it.

Well i'm afraid you have read Prior's ODI career very wrong then.

When Prior legitimately earned his place in the ODI & England team in genereal in 2007 (since he really was garbage & was useless pic before then). Betwen WI 07 at home to IND 08 he was tried as an opener based on domestic performance & failed.

The only reason Prior batted up @ 3 vs AUS was because KP was out & England felt they needed some agggressive impetus during the power-play overs.

Then during the ODI series in the caribbean earlier this year he looked MUCH better in the position he bats in test matches @ 7, thats why i say i dont see why Prior can't do a solid finishing role down the order in ODI cricket. The way he batted vs SRI confirms this belief.

[Marcuss]

Originally Posted by aussie

Well i'm afraid you have read Prior's ODI career very wrong then.

When Prior legitimately earned his place in the ODI & England team in genereal in 2007 (since he really was garbage & was useless pic before then). Betwen WI 07 at home to IND 08 he was tried as an opener based on domestic performance & failed.

The only reason Prior batted up @ 3 vs AUS was because KP was out & England felt they needed some agggressive impetus during the power-play overs.

Then during the ODI series in the caribbean earlier this year he looked MUCH better in the position he bats in test matches @ 7, thats why i say i dont see why Prior can't do a solid finishing role down the order in ODI cricket. The way he batted vs SRI confirms this belief.

Shame he bats at 6 in tests then.

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by aussie

Well i'm afraid you have read Prior's ODI career very wrong then.

When Prior legitimately earned his place in the ODI & England team in genereal in 2007 (since he really was garbage & was useless pic before then). Betwen WI 07 at home to IND 08 he was tried as an opener based on domestic performance & failed.

The only reason Prior batted up @ 3 vs AUS was because KP was out & England felt they needed some agggressive impetus during the power-play overs.

Then during the ODI series in the caribbean earlier this year he looked MUCH better in the position he bats in test matches @ 7, thats why i say i dont see why Prior can't do a solid finishing role down the order in ODI cricket. The way he batted vs SRI confirms this belief.

Yea he's looked so much better now that he's scored a massive 69 runs coming at number 7 throughout his ODI career.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Marcuss

Shame he bats at 6 in tests then.

Am thats not what i meant, i was refering to the position he batted during the ODI series in WI. Regardless, Prior best position in internaitonal cricket is 6 or 7, thats where he should be given an extended run in the ODI side.

Originally Posted by Scaly Piscine

Yea he's looked so much better now that he's scored a massive 69 runs coming at number 7 throughout his ODI career.

Haa nice stats picking. Why didn't you mention how much innings & his average?.

Fact is the only reason Prior opened for ENG is given that Trescothick left the gap in the ODI top-order, we where looking for a player to fill that role. So ATM we are still searching for that aggressive opener who can take advantage of power-plays.

Prior though as i just said - should bat @ 6 or 7 in ODIs as long as he is in the side, unless another keeper-bats comes & gives the ODI side a different balance.

[GIMH]

aussie, just accept it, Prior shouldn't be in the ODI team. There's no good reason why we can't have separate keepers in different formats.

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by aussie

Haa nice stats picking. Why didn't you mention how much innings & his average?.

So if he didn't play many innings there, by definition he hasn't produced on enough occasions for it to be conclusive - thus negating your point.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

aussie, just accept it, Prior shouldn't be in the ODI team. There's no good reason why we can't have separate keepers in different formats.

We can. I am already looking at having Kieswetter & Prior in ODIs & tests. But for now once all are fit, i see no reason why Prior can't bat @ 7, with Strauss & whoever (hopefully Denly) opening.

Originally Posted by marc71178

So if he didn't play many innings there, by definition he hasn't produced on enough occasions for it to be conclusive - thus negating your point.

Thats not his fault, thats the selectors. Fact is the only time he has looked himself in ODIs i.e vs SRI the other day - is the few times he has batted in his regular test match position.