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    Mathews closer to the 'batsman who bowls' category IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    Did anyone notice how Klusener and Jaysuriya took their wickets in bunches? Their runs also came in a way. Shakib might have better figures, but have never attained the potential of Klusener or Jayasuriya to win matches with an impact performance.
    On the contrary Zulu was good with the ball in first half of his career, in latter stages of his career he was not consistent in picking wickets (forget about cluster of wickets). Probably Shakib has been more consistent overall.

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    Mathews still only has the potential to be a genuine all-rounder imo.. he has to trust his bowling more - it's definitely good enough for him to bowl out every game which he rarely does for some reason.. Even though Jayasuriya was a better impact ODI batsman, in terms of being a pure all-rounder Shakib has him beat. I think only Flintoff is a good comparison - both have played ~137 matches, Shakib the more dependable batsman and Flintoff the better bowler..
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    It makes no sense comparing spin all-rounders with fast ones. If Shakib has a very good world cup then talk of GOAT can be made. At the moment he's not close since he hardly gets to face England, South Africa and Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by viriya View Post
    If he plays till he's 35+ he should retire as the greatest ODI all-rounder (he's close already imo) and possibly even the greatest Test as well (at least top 5).
    Rating him highly in ODIs is one thing but there's not a hope on earth he'll be one of the top 5 Test all rounders of all time.
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    i think his odi figures probably stack close to Flintoff, Imran, and Kapil. Hadlee was a gun odi bowler, definitely better than Shakib.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Rating him highly in ODIs is one thing but there's not a hope on earth he'll be one of the top 5 Test all rounders of all time.
    i don't think Shakib is a better odi bowler than those 4 all rounders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    there's not a hope on earth he'll be one of the top 5 Test all rounders of all time.
    He is more of a genuine all-rounder than Sobers/Botham/Kallis ever was. Consider this:

    100 runs (sum) + 5 wickets (sum) in a match:
    - Sobers: 7 in 93 (1 in 13)
    - Botham: 7 in 102 (1 in 14)
    - Kallis: 2 in 166 (1 in 83)
    - Shakib: 5 in 37 (1 in 7)
    - Imran: 2 in 87 (1 in 43)
    - Kapil: 1 in 131 (1 in 131)

    I would go as far as to say that we might have never seen a more genuine all-rounder in Test cricket (Aubrey Faulkner/Trevor Goddard/Keith Miller/Tony Greig possibly)..

    If he can maintain this record vs top 8 opposition for 5 years more it would be hard to leave him out of greatest discussions.
    That and he never gets to play vs Ban (balanced somewhat by playing Zim more often tbf)
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    Shakib is more likely to take 5 wicket bags than a few of the otheres there because of the lack of support he has. I doubt there has been a player since Bradman who had more impact on his team than Shakib though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viriya View Post
    He is more of a genuine all-rounder than Sobers/Botham/Kallis ever was. Consider this:

    100 runs (sum) + 5 wickets (sum) in a match:
    - Sobers: 7 in 93 (1 in 13)
    - Botham: 7 in 102 (1 in 14)
    - Kallis: 2 in 166 (1 in 83)
    - Shakib: 5 in 37 (1 in 7)
    - Imran: 2 in 87 (1 in 43)
    - Kapil: 1 in 131 (1 in 131)

    I would go as far as to say that we might have never seen a more genuine all-rounder in Test cricket (Aubrey Faulkner/Trevor Goddard/Keith Miller/Tony Greig possibly)..

    If he can maintain this record vs top 8 opposition for 5 years more it would be hard to leave him out of greatest discussions.
    That and he never gets to play vs Ban (balanced somewhat by playing Zim more often tbf)
    What kind of silly stats are those? 5 wickets (sum) in a match? His wpm is 3.78 which is decent. He has a decent number of fifers though

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    It's a way of looking at all-round contribution in a match.. if it was 100 runs/5 wickets without summing both innings then most players would have none so hard to make a comparison.. Point here is that Shakib is basically Ban's best batsman and bowler rolled into one which is extremely rare in test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viriya View Post
    It's a way of looking at all-round contribution in a match.. if it was 100 runs/5 wickets without summing both innings then most players would have none so hard to make a comparison.. Point here is that Shakib is basically Ban's best batsman and bowler rolled into one which is extremely rare in test cricket.
    yeah, he is best bowler and best batsman rolled into one for Bangladesh but bangers are an extremely poor team. They are not ordinarily poor. They are very poor.

    The 100runs/5wickets across both innings is flawed because given bangladesh's awfulness Shakib wil get to bat twice and bowl the lion's share of overs as well.

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    Yes he does almost always get to bat twice, but using the same logic he doesn't always get to bowl twice so it evens out. His batting average is almost 40 so it's not like he just gets two 25s every game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viriya View Post
    Yes he does almost always get to bat twice, but using the same logic he doesn't always get to bowl twice so it evens out..
    More like he gets to bat and bowl twice each match actually

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    Most players get to bat and bowl twice per match tbh.

    How does Shakib's bowling SR stack up against other spin bowling allrounders in Tests? (Mankad, Faulkner, Grace, Rhodes, Ashwin, etc)

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