Murali to retire from Test Cricket

[Lillian Thomson]

How are they competitors? They don't play for the same country.

Competitors are people who compete against each other, not play for the same team.

 

[Pigeon]

Competitors are people who compete against each other, not play for the same team.

However, they do not directly compete with each other. Since they play in a team, nad those teams hardly play against each other regularly.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

However, they do not directly compete with each other. Since they play in a team, nad those teams hardly play against each other regularly.

That's completely irrelevant to your question of how they can be competitors when they don't play for the same country.

 

[Ikki]

I think LT's kicked a goal here, but what I mean is that they were both such close rivals that the fact that they were open enough to sit with one another and give tips is what stuck with me.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I think LT's kicked a goal here, but what I mean is that they were both such close rivals that the fact that they were open enough to sit with one another and give tips is what stuck with me.

I wasn't trying to be clever there. I originally just thought that the poster's first language might not be English so he was unsure about the word "competitors". His next reply though was rather silly.

 

[Richard]

Dunno. I recall a few years back, IIRC 2005 Tsunami appeal, where Murali said he was talking to Warne about bowling and that he'd taken on his advice to use flight and bounce more than just whizzing it across with more spin. It was when they were still both going strong and it just stuck with me that as competitors they still shared things with each other about their craft.

I'm not talking about that - I'm talking about since the start of the 2007/08 season. Mark my words, Murali spun it as much as ever for the most part in England in 2006, and in New Zealand in 2006/07.

If he really did lessen his spin deliberately in 2007/08 it seems a completely baffling tactic, so what I think is more likely is that the body weakening to some degree has meant he is no longer able to rip it massively as consistently as he used to. It's a long time since I've seen the famous Murali wonder-ball, that pitches short, miles outside off and rips back in onto the stumps.

 

[Migara]

I'm not talking about that - I'm talking about since the start of the 2007/08 season. Mark my words, Murali spun it as much as ever for the most part in England in 2006, and in New Zealand in 2006/07.

If he really did lessen his spin deliberately in 2007/08 it seems a completely baffling tactic, so what I think is more likely is that the body weakening to some degree has meant he is no longer able to rip it massively as consistently as he used to. It's a long time since I've seen the famous Murali wonder-ball, that pitches short, miles outside off and rips back in onto the stumps.

I think it helps to disguise his doosra better.

 

[Astafjevs]

How would that work?

 

[Brett Dale]

Its going to be a long time before someone beats Murali's record.

 

[Migara]

How would that work?

When he rips his off break his action changes a little, namely become more close chested, shoulder dropping more, and wrist snap more visibly. When these changes are less, the stock ball also resembles the doosra more.

 

[frdsmth9]

Murali is undoubtedly one of the best spinners to have played the game. His ability to run thru any batting order is always a treat to watch. He is always a match winner for Sri Lanka and has proved it many a times. Murali quitting by end of next year is of course saddenning, but thats the way it is. We all love you Murali!!!

 

[fredfertang]

It will be a shame if in 15 months time he's still bowling well and insists on sticking to this

In any event I am sure he'll be welcome at Old Trafford for the 2011 season

 

[pako007]

It would be a shame to chuck in a casual remark that would throw the thread off course.

 

[Richard]

It will be a shame if in 15 months time he's still bowling well and insists on sticking to this

In any event I am sure he'll be welcome at Old Trafford for the 2011 season

Yeah if there's one thing I'd like to see it'd be Murali playing a full season at Old Trafford. Think the most he's managed is 9 games or something, in the, what, 6 seasons he's been on Lancashire's books.

Always a shame to see him get 35 wickets at 17.45 in 6 games or something.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

He might well be saving his aging limbs from the rigors of Test and First Class Cricket to eek out a few years playing in the IPL money laundering factory.

 

[JBH001]

Fair play to him, if so. Served his country for 17 years, bowled over 60,000 international cricket deliveries.

And, fair call, Richard. I dont think he rips it as much as he used to either - which also costs him a little in terms of dip, and makes him easier to play. Its been a while since we saw something like this: YouTube - MASSIVE TURN by murali ( best bowler in the world)

And @ Ikki, I think spin bowlers have always been more willing to see themselves as a club transcending national playing boundaries. IIRC Murali has also often had fruitful chats with Kumble, Vettori, Saqqy, and Mushtaq (often in the middle of series), and Warne, I know, has often talked with Kumble about spin bowling. Where spinners are concerned, competition be damned!

 

[vic_orthdox]

Fair play to him, if so. Served his country for 17 years, bowled over 60,000 international cricket deliveries.

And, fair call, Richard. I dont think he rips it as much as he used to either - which also costs him a little in terms of dip, and makes him easier to play. Its been a while since we saw something like this: YouTube - MASSIVE TURN by murali ( best bowler in the world)

And @ Ikki, I think spin bowlers have always been more willing to see themselves as a club transcending national playing boundaries. IIRC Murali has also often had fruitful chats with Kumble, Vettori, Saqqy, and Mushtaq (often in the middle of series), and Warne, I know, has often talked with Kumble about spin bowling. Where spinners are concerned, competition be damned!

It's all about the brotherhood.

 

[Top_Cat]

Fair play to him, if so. Served his country for 17 years, bowled over 60,000 international cricket deliveries.

And, fair call, Richard. I dont think he rips it as much as he used to either - which also costs him a little in terms of dip, and makes him easier to play. Its been a while since we saw something like this: YouTube - MASSIVE TURN by murali ( best bowler in the world)

And @ Ikki, I think spin bowlers have always been more willing to see themselves as a club transcending national playing boundaries. IIRC Murali has also often had fruitful chats with Kumble, Vettori, Saqqy, and Mushtaq (often in the middle of series), and Warne, I know, has often talked with Kumble about spin bowling. Where spinners are concerned, competition be damned!

And that is why spinners, as a rule, should never be trusted with anything. Obviously others agree with me; outside of India, when was a spinner last made a national captain?

Nuff said. Evil, wrist-snapping bastards. They're like a bunch of subversives too wussy to actually take the citadel. Otherwise, they'd be pace bowlers.

 

[Pigeon]

And that is why spinners, as a rule, should never be trusted with anything. Obviously others agree with me; outside of India, when was a spinner last made a national captain?

Nuff said. Evil, wrist-snapping bastards. They're like a bunch of subversives too wussy to actually take the citadel. Otherwise, they'd be pace bowlers.

Daniel Vettori (NZ) and Shakib Al Hasan (Ban) are two worthy examples. Hard to find pace bowling captains though.

 

[Dissector]

And that is why spinners, as a rule, should never be trusted with anything. Obviously others agree with me; outside of India, when was a spinner last made a national captain?

Nuff said. Evil, wrist-snapping bastards. They're like a bunch of subversives too wussy to actually take the citadel. Otherwise, they'd be pace bowlers.

It would be rather awesome if the spinners struck out on their own and formed their own international team. No specialist batsmen, no quicks: only spinners and.... wicketkeepers.

Karthik
Sangakarra
Gilchrist
Haddin
Prior
Dhoni
Vettori
Swann
Warne
Kumble
Murali